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there's a difference between being full and feeling full. is it still known that the human body is healthy with this level of dieting and lack of nutrition? cl

there's a difference between being full and feeling full. is it still known that the human body is healthy with this level of dieting and lack of nutrition? clearly can't be the case for someone who is obese so I'm wondering if this is true then if it's limited to folks who are struggling with obesity that can endure this

incongruity 4y ago
> there's a difference between being full and feeling full. Implying that something is off if you "feel" but are "not" full? How do you define full? Having a "healthy" amount of food in your stomach? However you define it, with asserting that, you have to acknowledge the closely related idea that there's something off if you are "full" (as you've defined it) but still not feeling full - or satiated. It's that broken state that so many of us are desperate to solve. I'm on a GLP-1 agonist after years of diets, gym memberships, shame, etc. etc. and this medicine is nothing short of amazing for me. It feels like it has fixed things I didn't even realize were wrong and it has changed my relationship with food in very positive ways. It is now so much easier to eat - some food but not too much food - just like I've seen so many of my friends with healthy BMIs do forever and have always had to consciously fight to do, day in, day out. But even more than that, it's changed my desire for alcohol and reduced my consumption patterns there as well. Moving is easier -- and that effect happened faster than weightless, suggesting a reduction in systemic inflammation as well. The side effects were a little rough for the first two weeks, but after ~3 months on it, I'd happily be on this for life given the positive impacts I've seen, barring any unexpected/unseen side effects.
- ilyt 4y ago
  > Implying that something is off if you "feel" but are "not" full? How do you define full? Having a "healthy" amount of food in your stomach? However you define it, with asserting that, you have to acknowledge the closely related idea that there's something off if you are "full" (as you've defined it) but still not feeling full - or satiated. It's that broken state that so many of us are desperate to solve. I call it "brain hunger" and "body hunger". Over time I learned to notice the difference. Brain hunger is just brain going "heeey, your stomach is empty, I don't like it", or "we just did a bunch , it's evening, me want tasty food as reward", or "we haven't eaten that tasty thing for a while, give food now?". The "fuck off brain, you're not hungry, you're bored" state. Body hunger is change in physiology, not just "tummy feeing empty", my hands and legs get colder and I feel a bit more awake and on edge. And, well, annoyed.
  - 0xB31B1B 4y ago
    Having felt both “brain hunger/body hunger” And “obesity hunger/glp1 hunger” they are very different. The glp1 drugs remove a compulsion to eat that many thin people just don’t have. It’s like being a smoker, and then nearly instantly no longer craving cigarettes and finding the smell of ciagrettes unappealing. It’s not a remotely subtle change at all.
    - ilyt 4y ago
      Yeah the "I know I don't need to eat but I want to" is the most annoying part of trying to get thinner

incongruity 4y ago

> there's a difference between being full and feeling full. Implying that something is off if you "feel" but are "not" full? How do you define full? Having a "healthy" amount of food in your stomach? However you define it, with asserting that, you have to acknowledge the closely related idea that there's something off if you are "full" (as you've defined it) but still not feeling full - or satiated. It's that broken state that so many of us are desperate to solve. I'm on a GLP-1 agonist after years of diets, gym memberships, shame, etc. etc. and this medicine is nothing short of amazing for me. It feels like it has fixed things I didn't even realize were wrong and it has changed my relationship with food in very positive ways. It is now so much easier to eat - some food but not too much food - just like I've seen so many of my friends with healthy BMIs do forever and have always had to consciously fight to do, day in, day out. But even more than that, it's changed my desire for alcohol and reduced my consumption patterns there as well. Moving is easier -- and that effect happened faster than weightless, suggesting a reduction in systemic inflammation as well. The side effects were a little rough for the first two weeks, but after ~3 months on it, I'd happily be on this for life given the positive impacts I've seen, barring any unexpected/unseen side effects.

ilyt 4y ago
> Implying that something is off if you "feel" but are "not" full? How do you define full? Having a "healthy" amount of food in your stomach? However you define it, with asserting that, you have to acknowledge the closely related idea that there's something off if you are "full" (as you've defined it) but still not feeling full - or satiated. It's that broken state that so many of us are desperate to solve. I call it "brain hunger" and "body hunger". Over time I learned to notice the difference. Brain hunger is just brain going "heeey, your stomach is empty, I don't like it", or "we just did a bunch , it's evening, me want tasty food as reward", or "we haven't eaten that tasty thing for a while, give food now?". The "fuck off brain, you're not hungry, you're bored" state. Body hunger is change in physiology, not just "tummy feeing empty", my hands and legs get colder and I feel a bit more awake and on edge. And, well, annoyed.
- 0xB31B1B 4y ago
  Having felt both “brain hunger/body hunger” And “obesity hunger/glp1 hunger” they are very different. The glp1 drugs remove a compulsion to eat that many thin people just don’t have. It’s like being a smoker, and then nearly instantly no longer craving cigarettes and finding the smell of ciagrettes unappealing. It’s not a remotely subtle change at all.
  - ilyt 4y ago
    Yeah the "I know I don't need to eat but I want to" is the most annoying part of trying to get thinner