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> I am unclear why I should not be? Because yours is a very narrow view that makes you blind to reality and externalities. You, and individual, don't exist in

> I am unclear why I should not be? Because yours is a very narrow view that makes you blind to reality and externalities. You, and individual, don't exist in a vacuum. - when you go to your favorite restaurant or a burger joint, you don't want to be served by an underpaid overworked staff who has been battling pneumonia for two weeks - when you end up in the hospital, you don't want to be looked after by an underpaid overworked nurse - when you go to get your car fixed, you don't want the people fixing it to be sick, tired, or worrying about things like whether they have enough money to feed their kids - ditto for the ground crew servicing the plane you're flying on - ... the list is endless > As a manager I > I have negotiated more vacation time for > people that need those things should negotiate them. People can't really negotiate these things because they don't come into these negotiations from a position of power. You, as a manager, and the company you represent have all the power in these negotiations. You may view yourself as a good benevolent manager and you consider yourself lucky to have worked in companies that are good for some definition of good. This does not scale. You can't expect everyone to be lucky with their work and you can't expect everyone to have a manager who will magnanimously decide you're worthy of an extended vacation time. You will also not going to be young and healthy forever. > I prefer individualism No. You prefer to be an egoist in a society, and reap the benefits that society gives you

phpisthebest 4y ago
>>when you go to your favorite restaurant or a burger joint, you don't want to be served by an underpaid overworked staff who has been battling pneumonia for two weeks No I want to be served by a Robot, and hope mcd;s leads the technology on automation technology to replace humans in the food service space >>- ... the list is endless and none of it is relevant and most of them do not work for unions or need unions to get good pay. so.... Union membership in the US have been DROPPING for decades for a reason. >>You, as a manager, and the company you represent have all the power in these negotiations. That is bullshit, every time this happen it has been the person we are looking to hire to bring up the things they want / need, All I have done is passed them to HR or my VP to see if the request could be accommodated or not >>This does not scale. You can't expect everyone to be lucky with their work and you can't expect everyone to have a manager It does scale but no I do not expect everyone to be "lucky" nor do I think you can eliminate all bad employers even under the EU level of authoritarianism you can not eliminate them all, I am a capitalist, I believe in capitalism and over all I believe markets are a batter solution to human scale problem that government. History proves me correct and you wrong, history will continue to prove me correct and you wrong
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > No I want to be served by a Robot, and hope mcd;s l Ah yes. Let's ignore the reality of the now and dream about this glorious robot future. > and none of it is relevant and most of them do not work for unions or need unions to get good pay. Just because you say this is irrelevant doesn't make it so > every time this happen it has been the person we are looking to hire to bring up the things they want / need, All I have done is passed them to HR or my VP Me: You, as a manager, and the company you represent have all the power in these negotiations. You: This is bullshit... I pass this on to managers and the company who have all the power to say yes or no to these requests Moreover, if a person is already working, and for some reason needs an extended vacation, or an extended sick leave etc. they literally have no power over you and your VP, and your company. It's entirely in your power to deny them that request, or have strings attached to the granting of the request etc. > It does scale but no I do not expect everyone to be "lucky" Me: Luck doesn't scale You: It does scale but I don't expect everyone to be lucky > nor do I think you can eliminate all bad employers even under the EU level of authoritarianism you can not eliminate them all The US: employers have almost no responsibility towards their workers. There is no end to cases where employees have no to little protections at all The EU: even with the worst employer you get your sick pay, your vacation, your overtime pay, ... You: EU is authoritarian, I'd rather wait for robots This is why I'm saying that your "me, me, I, me, me, me" makes you completely blind to the world. Not to say anything about how little you know about the world outside the U.S. and your lucky little job.

phpisthebest 4y ago

>>when you go to your favorite restaurant or a burger joint, you don't want to be served by an underpaid overworked staff who has been battling pneumonia for two weeks No I want to be served by a Robot, and hope mcd;s leads the technology on automation technology to replace humans in the food service space >>- ... the list is endless and none of it is relevant and most of them do not work for unions or need unions to get good pay. so.... Union membership in the US have been DROPPING for decades for a reason. >>You, as a manager, and the company you represent have all the power in these negotiations. That is bullshit, every time this happen it has been the person we are looking to hire to bring up the things they want / need, All I have done is passed them to HR or my VP to see if the request could be accommodated or not >>This does not scale. You can't expect everyone to be lucky with their work and you can't expect everyone to have a manager It does scale but no I do not expect everyone to be "lucky" nor do I think you can eliminate all bad employers even under the EU level of authoritarianism you can not eliminate them all, I am a capitalist, I believe in capitalism and over all I believe markets are a batter solution to human scale problem that government. History proves me correct and you wrong, history will continue to prove me correct and you wrong

dmitriid 4y ago
> No I want to be served by a Robot, and hope mcd;s l Ah yes. Let's ignore the reality of the now and dream about this glorious robot future. > and none of it is relevant and most of them do not work for unions or need unions to get good pay. Just because you say this is irrelevant doesn't make it so > every time this happen it has been the person we are looking to hire to bring up the things they want / need, All I have done is passed them to HR or my VP Me: You, as a manager, and the company you represent have all the power in these negotiations. You: This is bullshit... I pass this on to managers and the company who have all the power to say yes or no to these requests Moreover, if a person is already working, and for some reason needs an extended vacation, or an extended sick leave etc. they literally have no power over you and your VP, and your company. It's entirely in your power to deny them that request, or have strings attached to the granting of the request etc. > It does scale but no I do not expect everyone to be "lucky" Me: Luck doesn't scale You: It does scale but I don't expect everyone to be lucky > nor do I think you can eliminate all bad employers even under the EU level of authoritarianism you can not eliminate them all The US: employers have almost no responsibility towards their workers. There is no end to cases where employees have no to little protections at all The EU: even with the worst employer you get your sick pay, your vacation, your overtime pay, ... You: EU is authoritarian, I'd rather wait for robots This is why I'm saying that your "me, me, I, me, me, me" makes you completely blind to the world. Not to say anything about how little you know about the world outside the U.S. and your lucky little job.