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This is unfortunately completely untrue. Obesity, especially severe obesity, underlies the diabetes and heart disease epidemics. However obese people, particul

by dbspin 4y ago

This is unfortunately completely untrue. Obesity, especially severe obesity, underlies the diabetes and heart disease epidemics. However obese people, particularly in the US and Western Europe, now represent a sufficiently large lobby (no pun intended) that there is significant public messaging parroting the 'healthy at any size' propaganda.

fnordpiglet 4y ago
I didn’t say there is no level at which you’re clearly unhealthy. If you are obese because of unhealthy habits or lifestyle, this will impact your overall health. Being fat alone, with a healthy eating habit and lifestyle, is not indicative of a lack of health. Eating with abandon, especially of low quality food, and not exercising is what underlies the lack of health. It happens you also get fat doing this. People with a high metabolism that stay thin no matter what they eat or do still develop heart disease and diabetes. Healthy at any size doesn’t mean someone who is morbidly obese is healthy - the strain on their heart is significant. But that’s true for any human of large size regardless of “what” constitutes their body mass. But the correlation is the fat goes with unhealthy diet and lifestyle. But not everyone who is fat is unhealthy. They even discuss this in the article for goodness sakes. In another comment I provided these references: In one of the reference below, the conclusion is: (i) Higher fitness should be considered a characteristic of metabolically healthy but obese phenotype. (ii) Once fitness is accounted for, the metabolically healthy but obese phenotype is a benign condition, with a better prognosis for mortality and morbidity than metabolically abnormal obese individuals. https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/97/7/2482/2834446?login=false https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/97/7/2482/2834446?logi... https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/97/7/2482/2834446?login=false https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/97/7/2482/2834446?logi... https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/28/2/391/24045/Metabolic-Syndrome-Obesity-and-MortalityImpact-of https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/28/2/391/24045/Met...
viraptor 4y ago
The goal of that idea is to push for being being more healthy regardless of size, not to validate that you can become obese if you want with no downsides. It's basically "being obese and having issues dieting doesn't stop you from making healthy changes in other ways".

by dbspin 4y ago

fnordpiglet 4y ago

I didn’t say there is no level at which you’re clearly unhealthy. If you are obese because of unhealthy habits or lifestyle, this will impact your overall health. Being fat alone, with a healthy eating habit and lifestyle, is not indicative of a lack of health. Eating with abandon, especially of low quality food, and not exercising is what underlies the lack of health. It happens you also get fat doing this. People with a high metabolism that stay thin no matter what they eat or do still develop heart disease and diabetes. Healthy at any size doesn’t mean someone who is morbidly obese is healthy - the strain on their heart is significant. But that’s true for any human of large size regardless of “what” constitutes their body mass. But the correlation is the fat goes with unhealthy diet and lifestyle. But not everyone who is fat is unhealthy. They even discuss this in the article for goodness sakes. In another comment I provided these references: In one of the reference below, the conclusion is: (i) Higher fitness should be considered a characteristic of metabolically healthy but obese phenotype. (ii) Once fitness is accounted for, the metabolically healthy but obese phenotype is a benign condition, with a better prognosis for mortality and morbidity than metabolically abnormal obese individuals. https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/97/7/2482/2834446?login=false https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/97/7/2482/2834446?logi... https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/97/7/2482/2834446?login=false https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/97/7/2482/2834446?logi... https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/28/2/391/24045/Metabolic-Syndrome-Obesity-and-MortalityImpact-of https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/28/2/391/24045/Met...

viraptor 4y ago

The goal of that idea is to push for being being more healthy regardless of size, not to validate that you can become obese if you want with no downsides. It's basically "being obese and having issues dieting doesn't stop you from making healthy changes in other ways".