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I'm guessing you're making some argument about war? If so, I'm not interested in sophistry. I'm not playing the "which race is better?" game. In the US, it's a

I'm guessing you're making some argument about war? If so, I'm not interested in sophistry. I'm not playing the "which race is better?" game. In the US, it's a fact that violent crime is not disproportionately committed by white people. If you take off your offense glasses and reread my original comment, you'll notice I am pointing out that despite there being lots of crime committed by African Americans, that community is not at all a monolith, and the vast majority of black people want desperately to turn the tides of violence that plague their communities, and support policies to that effect.

ashwagary 4y ago
>I'm guessing you're making some argument about war? The old "It's not murder and/or criminal if the innocent people I kill earn me a medal or paycheck" argument. Murder is murder, nothing sophistic about dealing with reality. Just because the US white community regularly commits organized extrajudicial mass murder under a self serving special classification, it doesn't change the reality that US whites commit the most violent crime.
- ambrozk 4y ago
  I'm not dealing with war because it's irrelevant to the comment I wrote. You're bringing up war because you want to prove "white people are more violent in a general sense than black people." "Which race is, in general, responsible for the most violence?" is an inane, inflammatory question that I have no interest in interrogating. In my original comment, I used well-known crime statistics to make a very basic point about why it's silly to say that a large group of people is hypocritical because they, in aggregate, hold views that are in tension with their behavior, in aggregate. You got triggered by the racial aspect, assumed I was just being a racist, and tried to prove me wrong by demonstrating that white people are the cause of the world's suffering. It's bizarre behavior.
  - ashwagary 4y ago
    You made a false statement about a minority racial group as if it was a forgone conclusion and I called it out as being false. The fact is US white society has committed the most crime (murder, robbery, fraud, etc) of any group (by many orders of magnitude) since the country's founding. Nothing bizzare about clarifying that your claim was false.
    - ambrozk 4y ago
      What you wrote is "Per capita, the people committing the most murders are white." My original statement was very obviously made with reference to a US legal context, and in that context, your statement is completely false. If you want to use a definition of murder which is not accepted in the US legal context, be my guest, but it has nothing to do with what I wrote.

ashwagary 4y ago

>I'm guessing you're making some argument about war? The old "It's not murder and/or criminal if the innocent people I kill earn me a medal or paycheck" argument. Murder is murder, nothing sophistic about dealing with reality. Just because the US white community regularly commits organized extrajudicial mass murder under a self serving special classification, it doesn't change the reality that US whites commit the most violent crime.

ambrozk 4y ago
I'm not dealing with war because it's irrelevant to the comment I wrote. You're bringing up war because you want to prove "white people are more violent in a general sense than black people." "Which race is, in general, responsible for the most violence?" is an inane, inflammatory question that I have no interest in interrogating. In my original comment, I used well-known crime statistics to make a very basic point about why it's silly to say that a large group of people is hypocritical because they, in aggregate, hold views that are in tension with their behavior, in aggregate. You got triggered by the racial aspect, assumed I was just being a racist, and tried to prove me wrong by demonstrating that white people are the cause of the world's suffering. It's bizarre behavior.
- ashwagary 4y ago
  You made a false statement about a minority racial group as if it was a forgone conclusion and I called it out as being false. The fact is US white society has committed the most crime (murder, robbery, fraud, etc) of any group (by many orders of magnitude) since the country's founding. Nothing bizzare about clarifying that your claim was false.
  - ambrozk 4y ago
    What you wrote is "Per capita, the people committing the most murders are white." My original statement was very obviously made with reference to a US legal context, and in that context, your statement is completely false. If you want to use a definition of murder which is not accepted in the US legal context, be my guest, but it has nothing to do with what I wrote.