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If you like Juan Tamariz, have a look at some of Dani DaOrtiz routines, another Spanish magician heavily influenced by Tamariz. This one from 2022 for Penn and

by fauria 4y ago

If you like Juan Tamariz, have a look at some of Dani DaOrtiz routines, another Spanish magician heavily influenced by Tamariz. This one from 2022 for Penn and Teller is amazing: https://youtu.be/5_KcQt0z-eE https://youtu.be/5_KcQt0z-eE

have_faith 4y ago
Juan has a great book on his card system that I think Dani is using for this routine (or at least a modification of it). Years ago I spent some time learning it and I think it's one of those things that only gets more impressive when you understand the methodology. It takes so much practice to present a routine as casually as Dani does in this.
- AndyNemmity 4y ago
  Dani has his own system, he doesn't use Juan's, but of course Juan's is great.
- aidenn0 4y ago
  Many magic tricks, particularly close-up acts, are of the sort that knowing how it works only makes someone good at them even more impressive. I saw Ricky Jay once, and I know he must be doing false shuffles and switches, but his motions are so natural and consistent that I was just more impressed, not less.
Lewton 4y ago
Fun fact (from penn jilettes podcast): At the point where he’s tearing up a card, it’s chosen at random and he’s just taking the <2% risk that it won’t ruin the trick
- iainctduncan 4y ago
  fun follow up fact: if it is the card, I can guarantee he has an alternate ending so it will never ruin it - it will only change it. Tamariz is a master of the "outs" (as magicians call them).
  - AndyNemmity 4y ago
    Hrm.. I am not so sure about this. Of course he would do something, but it wouldn't be a traditional out. It's a much more complex topic when it involves Dani.
    - iainctduncan 4y ago
      That's still an out to normal people. But yeah, i get that it will be a next level out for sure.
      - AndyNemmity 4y ago
        But like, it wouldn't be. I'm sorry though, I'm not willing to explain it fully. I get what you're saying though. I get why you're saying it.
        iainctduncan 4y ago
        And I get why you won't explain it further here too... ha
        AndyNemmity 4y ago
        That makes me happy, because it can seem like a dismissive comment, but I promise it's not. :)
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- toast0 4y ago
  It certainly isn't random. He's showing the chosen card at the top of the face up deck moments before. If you watch at 0.25x very carefully, you can see what happens next. He's very good at what he does, and it's hard to spot in real time. Amazing card scanning, too. (start around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_KcQt0z-eE&t=229s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_KcQt0z-eE&t=229s )
  - Lewton 4y ago
    > It certainly isn't random. It's random in the context of the trick, it's not like he specifically chose that card because he knew he could avoid it later
  - aidenn0 4y ago
    The question is what does he do at the end if Alyson Hannigan picks the card that he saw himself tear up.
    - toast0 4y ago
      Alyson couldn't have picked the card that was torn up, because she selected a card from the deck after the card was destroyed; https://youtu.be/5_KcQt0z-eE?t=332 https://youtu.be/5_KcQt0z-eE?t=332 is around when she's given cards to select from. On the other hand, Penn was asked to name a card which was then shown, an alternate card destroyed, and the named card shown again. If a further name a card was attempted on the 51-card deck, you'd have the chance of naming the destroyed card.
AndyNemmity 4y ago
I am a student of Dani DaOrtiz, and have traveled to Spain to train with him. Planning to do it again this year.
- iainctduncan 4y ago
  Wins the thread. You lucky dog! This is like having Michael Jordan as your basketball coach..
  - AndyNemmity 4y ago
    He's a brilliant man, and I am extremely happy to devote my life to try to understand as much as possible, and implement it. There is so much nuance, and detail, and it extends through all of life, not just magic. Thank you. I agree. I am happy as well to call him my friend.
    - kemitchell 4y ago
      > and it extends through all of life, not just magic A form of entertainment, playing with deception. Deception's expected in the act, but not, perhaps, in other parts of life. I hope you share a strong ethics. My kind play with words. I wish we shared a stronger ethics.
      - AndyNemmity 4y ago
        I think you didn't understand what I was trying to convey. At a surface level, magic is a form of entertainment that plays with deception. The Spanish school of magic (which is what we're discussing) deeply relies on psychology, that has nothing to do with deception. It involves the fundamental aspects about how humans behave. That is useful in all aspects of life, and has nothing to do with deception.
bambax 4y ago
> This one from 2022 for Penn and Teller is amazing For some reason I'm not very interested in magic and I don't especially like being fooled. But this... this is well beyond anything I have ever seen. So thanks for that.
- drcongo 4y ago
  I usually can't stand magicians, but absolutely loved this.
- defective 4y ago
  I was wondering about that, actually. I am interested in magic, very much, and I have seen tons and tons. I also felt like it was beyond anything I have ever seen, and wondered if it would be noticeably different to people who haven't seen as much as I have.
- toast0 4y ago
  You might like Penn doing a rope trick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvz_JKqJiP8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvz_JKqJiP8
  - hajile 4y ago
    If you like rope tricks, I'd guess Mac King is pretty close to the best around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmI9uwYzH9o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmI9uwYzH9o
eezurr 4y ago
Pretty good, but this one by Javi Benitez can't even be slowed down on YouTube to figure out what he's doing. Its mind blowing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLB5oOq76c8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLB5oOq76c8
jxy 4y ago
Talk the talk, count the cards, do the math, end with sleight of hands. This is extremely amazing. Right after the guy to his left said 21, Dani made a cut, so Dani knew exactly where the middle of the three cards he gave Alyson was, because he knew how many cards he gave to the two guys on his left and the other guy on his right. Dani made sure Alyson never shuffled her cards and only reversed the order when she put them one by one in the deck.

by fauria 4y ago

have_faith 4y ago

Juan has a great book on his card system that I think Dani is using for this routine (or at least a modification of it). Years ago I spent some time learning it and I think it's one of those things that only gets more impressive when you understand the methodology. It takes so much practice to present a routine as casually as Dani does in this.

AndyNemmity 4y ago
Dani has his own system, he doesn't use Juan's, but of course Juan's is great.
aidenn0 4y ago
Many magic tricks, particularly close-up acts, are of the sort that knowing how it works only makes someone good at them even more impressive. I saw Ricky Jay once, and I know he must be doing false shuffles and switches, but his motions are so natural and consistent that I was just more impressed, not less.

Lewton 4y ago

Fun fact (from penn jilettes podcast): At the point where he’s tearing up a card, it’s chosen at random and he’s just taking the <2% risk that it won’t ruin the trick

iainctduncan 4y ago
fun follow up fact: if it is the card, I can guarantee he has an alternate ending so it will never ruin it - it will only change it. Tamariz is a master of the "outs" (as magicians call them).
- AndyNemmity 4y ago
  Hrm.. I am not so sure about this. Of course he would do something, but it wouldn't be a traditional out. It's a much more complex topic when it involves Dani.
  - iainctduncan 4y ago
    That's still an out to normal people. But yeah, i get that it will be a next level out for sure.
    - AndyNemmity 4y ago
      But like, it wouldn't be. I'm sorry though, I'm not willing to explain it fully. I get what you're saying though. I get why you're saying it.
      - iainctduncan 4y ago
        And I get why you won't explain it further here too... ha
        AndyNemmity 4y ago
        That makes me happy, because it can seem like a dismissive comment, but I promise it's not. :)
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toast0 4y ago
It certainly isn't random. He's showing the chosen card at the top of the face up deck moments before. If you watch at 0.25x very carefully, you can see what happens next. He's very good at what he does, and it's hard to spot in real time. Amazing card scanning, too. (start around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_KcQt0z-eE&t=229s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_KcQt0z-eE&t=229s )
- Lewton 4y ago
  > It certainly isn't random. It's random in the context of the trick, it's not like he specifically chose that card because he knew he could avoid it later
- aidenn0 4y ago
  The question is what does he do at the end if Alyson Hannigan picks the card that he saw himself tear up.
  - toast0 4y ago
    Alyson couldn't have picked the card that was torn up, because she selected a card from the deck after the card was destroyed; https://youtu.be/5_KcQt0z-eE?t=332 https://youtu.be/5_KcQt0z-eE?t=332 is around when she's given cards to select from. On the other hand, Penn was asked to name a card which was then shown, an alternate card destroyed, and the named card shown again. If a further name a card was attempted on the 51-card deck, you'd have the chance of naming the destroyed card.

AndyNemmity 4y ago

I am a student of Dani DaOrtiz, and have traveled to Spain to train with him. Planning to do it again this year.

iainctduncan 4y ago
Wins the thread. You lucky dog! This is like having Michael Jordan as your basketball coach..
- AndyNemmity 4y ago
  He's a brilliant man, and I am extremely happy to devote my life to try to understand as much as possible, and implement it. There is so much nuance, and detail, and it extends through all of life, not just magic. Thank you. I agree. I am happy as well to call him my friend.
  - kemitchell 4y ago
    > and it extends through all of life, not just magic A form of entertainment, playing with deception. Deception's expected in the act, but not, perhaps, in other parts of life. I hope you share a strong ethics. My kind play with words. I wish we shared a stronger ethics.
    - AndyNemmity 4y ago
      I think you didn't understand what I was trying to convey. At a surface level, magic is a form of entertainment that plays with deception. The Spanish school of magic (which is what we're discussing) deeply relies on psychology, that has nothing to do with deception. It involves the fundamental aspects about how humans behave. That is useful in all aspects of life, and has nothing to do with deception.

bambax 4y ago

> This one from 2022 for Penn and Teller is amazing For some reason I'm not very interested in magic and I don't especially like being fooled. But this... this is well beyond anything I have ever seen. So thanks for that.

drcongo 4y ago
I usually can't stand magicians, but absolutely loved this.
defective 4y ago
I was wondering about that, actually. I am interested in magic, very much, and I have seen tons and tons. I also felt like it was beyond anything I have ever seen, and wondered if it would be noticeably different to people who haven't seen as much as I have.
toast0 4y ago
You might like Penn doing a rope trick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvz_JKqJiP8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvz_JKqJiP8
- hajile 4y ago
  If you like rope tricks, I'd guess Mac King is pretty close to the best around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmI9uwYzH9o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmI9uwYzH9o

eezurr 4y ago

Pretty good, but this one by Javi Benitez can't even be slowed down on YouTube to figure out what he's doing. Its mind blowing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLB5oOq76c8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLB5oOq76c8

jxy 4y ago

Talk the talk, count the cards, do the math, end with sleight of hands. This is extremely amazing. Right after the guy to his left said 21, Dani made a cut, so Dani knew exactly where the middle of the three cards he gave Alyson was, because he knew how many cards he gave to the two guys on his left and the other guy on his right. Dani made sure Alyson never shuffled her cards and only reversed the order when she put them one by one in the deck.