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>a "free" service in exchange for extremely invasive spying and psychological manipulation /agreed Trading trinkets to the natives for land is the most apt an

>a "free" service in exchange for extremely invasive spying and psychological manipulation /agreed Trading trinkets to the natives for land is the most apt analogy I can think of. In a capitalist society, we should be able to set the price for something that we own. My data is worth way more than the cost to provide the trivial services that Facebook, Gmail, etc provide.

411111111111111 4y ago
> In a capitalist society, we should be able to set the price for something that we own. Congrats, you just legalized slavery with that genius idea. There have to be limits on everything. You just disagree with the chosen line.
whimsicalism 4y ago
If you think that the price is not worth it, you are free to refuse the transaction. The EU govt here is requiring the counterparty to provide you with the service even if you refuse the transaction.
- e_i_pi_2 4y ago
  I think this is like predatory lending laws - you can be forced to give someone a loan at a reasonable price, even if you can convince them to pay way more. The same argument also works for voluntary slavery - I think people have the right to say "even if it's initially consensual, it still seems like an abusive business model that we shouldn't allow"
  - whimsicalism 4y ago
    You aren't forced to give someone a loan at a capped price, you can simply refuse to loan out your money. The government does not compel you to loan, so it is not analogous. I get the logic of rendering certain voluntary transactions illegal. Child labor (questionably voluntary) & minimum wage laws come to mind. This is distinct because those laws don't require companies to hire people at minimum wage.
    - e_i_pi_2 4y ago
      Yeah good clarification sorry, the price cap is the compelled part, not the original loan decision
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  Only if part of that transaction involves non-material things such as personal data. If you accept actual payments in money, you are welcome to refuse service to anyone. The solution is easy and straightforward.
- mpweiher 4y ago
  Nope, Facebook is free not to provide those services. They just aren't allowed to provide them by spying on you.

411111111111111 4y ago

> In a capitalist society, we should be able to set the price for something that we own. Congrats, you just legalized slavery with that genius idea. There have to be limits on everything. You just disagree with the chosen line.

whimsicalism 4y ago

If you think that the price is not worth it, you are free to refuse the transaction. The EU govt here is requiring the counterparty to provide you with the service even if you refuse the transaction.

e_i_pi_2 4y ago
I think this is like predatory lending laws - you can be forced to give someone a loan at a reasonable price, even if you can convince them to pay way more. The same argument also works for voluntary slavery - I think people have the right to say "even if it's initially consensual, it still seems like an abusive business model that we shouldn't allow"
- whimsicalism 4y ago
  You aren't forced to give someone a loan at a capped price, you can simply refuse to loan out your money. The government does not compel you to loan, so it is not analogous. I get the logic of rendering certain voluntary transactions illegal. Child labor (questionably voluntary) & minimum wage laws come to mind. This is distinct because those laws don't require companies to hire people at minimum wage.
  - e_i_pi_2 4y ago
    Yeah good clarification sorry, the price cap is the compelled part, not the original loan decision
Nextgrid 4y ago
Only if part of that transaction involves non-material things such as personal data. If you accept actual payments in money, you are welcome to refuse service to anyone. The solution is easy and straightforward.
mpweiher 4y ago
Nope, Facebook is free not to provide those services. They just aren't allowed to provide them by spying on you.