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> I don't want to eat empty carbs, anywhere near as much. Because I feel like they make me feel sick. I did a keto diet obsessively for a while and I still hav

by dmix 4y ago

> I don't want to eat empty carbs, anywhere near as much. Because I feel like they make me feel sick. I did a keto diet obsessively for a while and I still have a psychological revulsion to drinking coke or eating cake even a year later. Those sorts of things are long term wins.

VikingCoder 4y ago
When I was trying to slowly increase my calories again, coming off of low-calorie keto, I definitely wanted coke and cake. I'm happy for you, but I didn't get that benefit you got.
- dmix 4y ago
  Oh yeah, I wasn't really expecting it to be a general rule. I just built up "carbs = evil" so much in my head I developed a physical distaste for it, but I doubt most other people would.
standardUser 4y ago
I had the opposite outcome, several months of keto left me avoiding meat and cheese for a long time.
- VikingCoder 4y ago
  My keto diet was chocolate protein shakes, protein bars, and powdered soups. New Direction it's called. 3 meals, 2 snacks a day. 128 oz of water a day. It worked great as a way to lose weight. And for people who need to lose weight to prepare for surgery, I still think it's a neat program. But I was just not equipped to survive returning to normal foods. And stress.
drowsspa 4y ago
I wish I got to this stage where people lose their cravings. While I'm at home I can control my diet pretty well, but as soon as there's junk food in front of me I look like a pig. And I've lost like 30 pounds, to put it into perspective.
- tptacek 4y ago
  As a data point: under carb restriction and fasting, I won't think about food at all until I happen to eat some threshold number of carbs, or I get actual hunger (shaking, weakness, headache --- usually around 20 hours in). Once I cross that carb threshold, I'll be snacky until I go to sleep. People have different metabolic situations, but if you haven't tried fasting+restriction, it's pretty interesting.
  - dmix 4y ago
    > Once I cross that carb threshold, I'll be snacky until I go to sleep. This is where I struggled with OMAD. It's easy to not eat up to the first meal. But not snacking after dinner takes some real heart.
    - tptacek 4y ago
      The solution, of course, is to never eat. (More seriously: if I'm careful about macros with, like, a late lunch, I'm usually good for the rest of the day. If I make an omelette at 3-4PM, I'm probably not eating another meal that day.)
      - dmix 4y ago
        Hmm, yeah, I guess I should really measure my after-dinner spurts to really gauge it. When I went hardcore and used https://www.carbmanager.com/ https://www.carbmanager.com/ (I'm pretty new to this) I was surprised by the average carb/etc intake, both lows and highs. I'm a strong believer in being able to eat enough to become satiated without overdoing the negative macros. So it's mostly a matter of finding the right stuff to eat in those moments.
- aidenn0 4y ago
  I got to the point where I lost my cravings; it took less than a week for them to come back when I reintroduced them in small amounts though.
- ip26 4y ago
cmrdporcupine 4y ago
Wait til someone you love develops anorexia or a similar eating disorder (they may already have and you may not know it), and then you will think of "psychological revulsion to X food" in an entirely different light. Be careful. You'd be amazed at what harm the brain can do to the body.

by dmix 4y ago

VikingCoder 4y ago

When I was trying to slowly increase my calories again, coming off of low-calorie keto, I definitely wanted coke and cake. I'm happy for you, but I didn't get that benefit you got.

dmix 4y ago
Oh yeah, I wasn't really expecting it to be a general rule. I just built up "carbs = evil" so much in my head I developed a physical distaste for it, but I doubt most other people would.

standardUser 4y ago

I had the opposite outcome, several months of keto left me avoiding meat and cheese for a long time.

VikingCoder 4y ago
My keto diet was chocolate protein shakes, protein bars, and powdered soups. New Direction it's called. 3 meals, 2 snacks a day. 128 oz of water a day. It worked great as a way to lose weight. And for people who need to lose weight to prepare for surgery, I still think it's a neat program. But I was just not equipped to survive returning to normal foods. And stress.

drowsspa 4y ago

I wish I got to this stage where people lose their cravings. While I'm at home I can control my diet pretty well, but as soon as there's junk food in front of me I look like a pig. And I've lost like 30 pounds, to put it into perspective.

tptacek 4y ago
As a data point: under carb restriction and fasting, I won't think about food at all until I happen to eat some threshold number of carbs, or I get actual hunger (shaking, weakness, headache --- usually around 20 hours in). Once I cross that carb threshold, I'll be snacky until I go to sleep. People have different metabolic situations, but if you haven't tried fasting+restriction, it's pretty interesting.
- dmix 4y ago
  > Once I cross that carb threshold, I'll be snacky until I go to sleep. This is where I struggled with OMAD. It's easy to not eat up to the first meal. But not snacking after dinner takes some real heart.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    The solution, of course, is to never eat. (More seriously: if I'm careful about macros with, like, a late lunch, I'm usually good for the rest of the day. If I make an omelette at 3-4PM, I'm probably not eating another meal that day.)
    - dmix 4y ago
      Hmm, yeah, I guess I should really measure my after-dinner spurts to really gauge it. When I went hardcore and used https://www.carbmanager.com/ https://www.carbmanager.com/ (I'm pretty new to this) I was surprised by the average carb/etc intake, both lows and highs. I'm a strong believer in being able to eat enough to become satiated without overdoing the negative macros. So it's mostly a matter of finding the right stuff to eat in those moments.
aidenn0 4y ago
I got to the point where I lost my cravings; it took less than a week for them to come back when I reintroduced them in small amounts though.
ip26 4y ago

cmrdporcupine 4y ago

Wait til someone you love develops anorexia or a similar eating disorder (they may already have and you may not know it), and then you will think of "psychological revulsion to X food" in an entirely different light. Be careful. You'd be amazed at what harm the brain can do to the body.