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History shows the result of that is often the highly productive staff exits for greener opportunities where they are not penalized for doing more than the minim

History shows the result of that is often the highly productive staff exits for greener opportunities where they are not penalized for doing more than the minimum not to get fired, and over all the entire operation suffers leading to outsourcing or closing of facilities.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
We wish them well! Are those greener pastures the vast majority of startups that fail? Or enormous agile, nimble enterprises I’ve heard so much about (he said with a hint of sarcasm)? Lying to others is one thing, but don’t lie to yourself. A vocal minority is best served by the status quo, and they’ll do fine as consultants. Unions to protect the majority (and the evidence very clearly demonstrates these workers need protection from management and capital), with opportunity for those who would rather not be protected. The situation is not binary; it is a spectrum.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  Neither, I normally work for privately held companies with between 200-1000 employees and revenues between 500million and 1 billion per year That seems to be the sweet spot to not get abused, either by management nor unions. Startups suck, Huge enterprises suck
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    > That seems to be the sweet spot to not get abused, either by management nor unions. Startups suck, Huge enterprises suck In Europe I've worked for startups, I've worked for corporations. Everywhere I had the same situation: sick pay, vacations etc. It's amazing that you assume that "getting abused" is the norm and you have to find yourself in some sweet spot to escape that.
    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      To me, working anyone in the EU, under the EU laws would suck, I would be "abused" by the government instead of corporations in that case and would not no avenue of escape at all Your assimilation of government abuse as not being abused does not magically change that
      - dmitriid 4y ago
        Ah yes. The bad horrible no good government abuse of vacation, sick pay, overtime pay...

toomuchtodo 4y ago

We wish them well! Are those greener pastures the vast majority of startups that fail? Or enormous agile, nimble enterprises I’ve heard so much about (he said with a hint of sarcasm)? Lying to others is one thing, but don’t lie to yourself. A vocal minority is best served by the status quo, and they’ll do fine as consultants. Unions to protect the majority (and the evidence very clearly demonstrates these workers need protection from management and capital), with opportunity for those who would rather not be protected. The situation is not binary; it is a spectrum.

phpisthebest 4y ago
Neither, I normally work for privately held companies with between 200-1000 employees and revenues between 500million and 1 billion per year That seems to be the sweet spot to not get abused, either by management nor unions. Startups suck, Huge enterprises suck
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > That seems to be the sweet spot to not get abused, either by management nor unions. Startups suck, Huge enterprises suck In Europe I've worked for startups, I've worked for corporations. Everywhere I had the same situation: sick pay, vacations etc. It's amazing that you assume that "getting abused" is the norm and you have to find yourself in some sweet spot to escape that.
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    To me, working anyone in the EU, under the EU laws would suck, I would be "abused" by the government instead of corporations in that case and would not no avenue of escape at all Your assimilation of government abuse as not being abused does not magically change that
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      Ah yes. The bad horrible no good government abuse of vacation, sick pay, overtime pay...