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What we need is zero subsidies and zero red tape for people to compete. All the proposed top down nudging regulations brought forward will just create even more

What we need is zero subsidies and zero red tape for people to compete. All the proposed top down nudging regulations brought forward will just create even more loopholes people will exploit like the current heavy vehicle exception to emissions sedans face.

piva00 4y ago
Zero red-tape on ICEs would allow them to be polluting even more though. Not sure why you believe that complete freedom would trigger some kind of competition making cars less polluting, they'd just need to be cheaper than the competition. Where do you price externalities in this ideology?
- kodyo 4y ago
  The cost of externalities are covered when litigants claim damages.
  - notacoward 4y ago
    That is so obviously untrue that it's hard to accept the statement as good faith. Successful litigation requires that the plaintiff be able to prove not only that harm occurred but that it was directly and exclusively the fault of the defendant (which quite notably does not work for diffuse/delayed/complex environmental harms), against a corporate legal team that often has more information, experience, funding, and patience. Even then justice often comes too late. Such an approach would also result in a court system so large that it would be more burdensome (and subject to corruption) than even the worst regulators today. Litigation has never been, and will never be, an adequate substitute for judicious regulation. Many harms are very real, and serious, and well recognized as both, without being litigable. To suggest otherwise is tantamount to saying externalities should just be ignored in the name of profit.
  - theshrike79 4y ago
    Someone hasn't watched Fight Club, it seems. =) Sometimes damage claims are just the cost of doing business.
  - piva00 4y ago
    Then the justice system needs to be flooded with litigation to become some kind of regulatory body? Why introduce more layers into something already pretty complex such a regulation? Instead of an elected government it'd be another bureaucracy: the justice system, who takes action against bad actors? That's a complete fantasy, litigation is expensive, it should be reserved to exceptional cases not to dictate basic rules for society...

piva00 4y ago

Zero red-tape on ICEs would allow them to be polluting even more though. Not sure why you believe that complete freedom would trigger some kind of competition making cars less polluting, they'd just need to be cheaper than the competition. Where do you price externalities in this ideology?

kodyo 4y ago
The cost of externalities are covered when litigants claim damages.
- notacoward 4y ago
  That is so obviously untrue that it's hard to accept the statement as good faith. Successful litigation requires that the plaintiff be able to prove not only that harm occurred but that it was directly and exclusively the fault of the defendant (which quite notably does not work for diffuse/delayed/complex environmental harms), against a corporate legal team that often has more information, experience, funding, and patience. Even then justice often comes too late. Such an approach would also result in a court system so large that it would be more burdensome (and subject to corruption) than even the worst regulators today. Litigation has never been, and will never be, an adequate substitute for judicious regulation. Many harms are very real, and serious, and well recognized as both, without being litigable. To suggest otherwise is tantamount to saying externalities should just be ignored in the name of profit.
- theshrike79 4y ago
  Someone hasn't watched Fight Club, it seems. =) Sometimes damage claims are just the cost of doing business.
- piva00 4y ago
  Then the justice system needs to be flooded with litigation to become some kind of regulatory body? Why introduce more layers into something already pretty complex such a regulation? Instead of an elected government it'd be another bureaucracy: the justice system, who takes action against bad actors? That's a complete fantasy, litigation is expensive, it should be reserved to exceptional cases not to dictate basic rules for society...