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> If you were in Mariupol, or Bakhmut, or Dresden, or Hiroshima, or Stalingrad, it sure didn't matter if you were a civilian or not. And hell, all of Eastern E

> If you were in Mariupol, or Bakhmut, or Dresden, or Hiroshima, or Stalingrad, it sure didn't matter if you were a civilian or not. And hell, all of Eastern Europe during WW2, it barely mattered. When it did, that might mean 'just' getting shot and pushed into a ditch instead of shot and left on the battlefield. Yes, I know, that's why I'd pack and leave... I don't want to live in "a society" that expects me to die for it. > And the reason that societies don't just let folks leave is because the whole is stronger than the parts - and they don’t want you or some other part bailing and getting them all killed. So, they want to use me as a human shield? Sure, another reason to leave. > While certainly a survival strategy for an individual to desert, it has heavy costs - and don't expect any friends in those who are left behind. Who cares, they'll be dead anyway and i'll be alive somewhere far away and safe.

pixl97 4y ago
You state a case for the tragedy of the commons. If everyone was like you there would be no society and nowhere safe. Effectively you behave like the billionaires of the world today. They have enough money to run away from whatever problems they create and therefore care little about preventing them in the first place. You have no skin in the game.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  So I should die because those billionaires are in a dick measuring contest? The war in ukraine is a proxy war between nato and direct for russia. Some random Vlad and Boris have had nothing to do with it, didn't start it but now have to die, so that elenski, ursula, macron and biden on one side and putin, xi, whoever the iranian leader is on the other side measure their dicks. Sorry, but not sorry, fuck them. If they want to start wars.. sure, but if more people were like me and not like you (who I guess is also not in a battlefield but being a smartass behind a keyboard), the battlefields would be empty, and the only way for a battle to be won would be with putin riding a bear, biden in an old peugeot and biden eating icecream. You are free to die for whatever you deem necessary... I don't need to die for politics and want a way out, even if that means leaving everything behind and going away.
  - lazide 4y ago
    And that is when society sends the cops to drag someone away, and the neighbors shrug.
  - pixl97 4y ago
    So lets say the world 'goes bad' in the near future. You won't find any way out. Suddenly you'll realize every country out there has a set of rules that say "If you are here you are going to ensure the continuity of our society". Now this may not mean that you have to fight with your life. For the most part countries will take your money in taxation and instead equip a soldier to fight in your stead. When things get bad enough everywhere will draft you at gunpoint, and you'll either fight or die.
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    Shirley being from Slovenia you must’ve seen that Yutel interview of Bosniak JNA conscript going wtf am I doing here in 1991
    - selimthegrim 4y ago
      *Surely

pixl97 4y ago

You state a case for the tragedy of the commons. If everyone was like you there would be no society and nowhere safe. Effectively you behave like the billionaires of the world today. They have enough money to run away from whatever problems they create and therefore care little about preventing them in the first place. You have no skin in the game.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
So I should die because those billionaires are in a dick measuring contest? The war in ukraine is a proxy war between nato and direct for russia. Some random Vlad and Boris have had nothing to do with it, didn't start it but now have to die, so that elenski, ursula, macron and biden on one side and putin, xi, whoever the iranian leader is on the other side measure their dicks. Sorry, but not sorry, fuck them. If they want to start wars.. sure, but if more people were like me and not like you (who I guess is also not in a battlefield but being a smartass behind a keyboard), the battlefields would be empty, and the only way for a battle to be won would be with putin riding a bear, biden in an old peugeot and biden eating icecream. You are free to die for whatever you deem necessary... I don't need to die for politics and want a way out, even if that means leaving everything behind and going away.
- lazide 4y ago
  And that is when society sends the cops to drag someone away, and the neighbors shrug.
- pixl97 4y ago
  So lets say the world 'goes bad' in the near future. You won't find any way out. Suddenly you'll realize every country out there has a set of rules that say "If you are here you are going to ensure the continuity of our society". Now this may not mean that you have to fight with your life. For the most part countries will take your money in taxation and instead equip a soldier to fight in your stead. When things get bad enough everywhere will draft you at gunpoint, and you'll either fight or die.
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  Shirley being from Slovenia you must’ve seen that Yutel interview of Bosniak JNA conscript going wtf am I doing here in 1991
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    *Surely