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"each inpainting took about 20 seconds which was quite annoying. But I could envision a future where generation is basically real-time, imagine navigating throu

"each inpainting took about 20 seconds which was quite annoying. But I could envision a future where generation is basically real-time, imagine navigating through possible generations using mouse wheel and tweaking the parameters and seeing the effects in real-time" This is really funny actually, considering what basic Photoshop tools are capable of out of the box :)

orbital-decay 4y ago
Yeah, the entire thing reads like a case of tunnel vision. Even image-gen models are capable of much more than just cherrypicking and "tweaking the parameters", not to mention of the entire range of image manipulation tools. Model output being defined by the training data is still a valuable observation for many unaware of the limitations, regardless of how obvious it might be for others.
- fortyseven 4y ago
  There's a lot of things I try to do in Stable Diffusion that I could do in minutes in Photoshop. But half the fun is trying to do it entirely inside the generative art tools available. If I were really trying to make something good I'd use both together.
drmaximus 4y ago
Is photoshop cabale of inpainting what you tell it to inpaint?
- tiborsaas 4y ago
  With plugins, yes, but that's not the point. Inpainting is great, but using inpainting to get rid of the masking outline is funny to me. There are healing tools in PS that are designed for this exact purpose and they work in real time :)
hexomancer 4y ago
Can you show me how "basic photoshop tools" can do this in 20 seconds?: https://ahrm.github.io/images/2023-01-02-three-eyes/inpainting.mp4 https://ahrm.github.io/images/2023-01-02-three-eyes/inpainti...
- tiborsaas 4y ago
  It's called feather edges for selection, it creates a blur around the selection. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OFIpc-iFtO1AQty-IJ6beLEGe6q3HsL_b0MM6Dg3KjpVj8O_TTKPy8lrX3DZ3lyuv7ssIKHN4sKxHg1BYUT_BLzxIc2g6Gt8r43YreaIqjDOZcNpN-Rp1yrdFgJxwCjm1CfBOHbJ https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OFIpc-iFtO1AQty-IJ6beLEGe6... He already had a good enough lantern, all he had to do is to set a tasteful setting for this.
  - hexomancer 4y ago
    Thank you, I am aware what feather edges is. Here are the original photos: https://imgur.com/a/SgQ38bw https://imgur.com/a/SgQ38bw https://imgur.com/a/Gi0IZtB https://imgur.com/a/Gi0IZtB Can you apply feather edges for me and compare the results (and let's use the gentlemen's agreement that you will not spend more than 20 seconds)?
    - tiborsaas 4y ago
      I don't have photoshop :) Photopea on the other hand supports this. I can't do it in the time constraint, if that's the goal of course AI wins.
      - hexomancer 4y ago
        Well you claimed existing tools can do this in "real time" so 20 seconds is way more than that.
        tiborsaas 4y ago
        I did see the results of my action in real time. Some tasks are easier and faster with PS and some aren't :)
ramblerman 4y ago
I think it's amusing how completely you miss the capability of what OP did, vs what photoshop can do. 1. Generate me an eye 2. now place 3 of these on a head where I choose 3. merge it in for me, in some way that fits the overall image. The 4th step (missing due to time it takes) iterate over a few iterations till I see one I like. 3 years from now a novice will be able to do more advanced photoediting than a pro inside photoshop right now.
- tiborsaas 4y ago
  I fully understood what he did, but what he dreams about is already possible now in another environment in real time. I guess AI performance will catch up quickly. Meanwhile combining different programs yield the best result. I used like 3-4 tools to get a final render I was happy with when I felt the need to play with them. It's already the case that photoediting for novices are a reality, but the level of control is lacking.
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orbital-decay 4y ago

Yeah, the entire thing reads like a case of tunnel vision. Even image-gen models are capable of much more than just cherrypicking and "tweaking the parameters", not to mention of the entire range of image manipulation tools. Model output being defined by the training data is still a valuable observation for many unaware of the limitations, regardless of how obvious it might be for others.

fortyseven 4y ago
There's a lot of things I try to do in Stable Diffusion that I could do in minutes in Photoshop. But half the fun is trying to do it entirely inside the generative art tools available. If I were really trying to make something good I'd use both together.

drmaximus 4y ago

Is photoshop cabale of inpainting what you tell it to inpaint?

tiborsaas 4y ago
With plugins, yes, but that's not the point. Inpainting is great, but using inpainting to get rid of the masking outline is funny to me. There are healing tools in PS that are designed for this exact purpose and they work in real time :)

hexomancer 4y ago

Can you show me how "basic photoshop tools" can do this in 20 seconds?: https://ahrm.github.io/images/2023-01-02-three-eyes/inpainting.mp4 https://ahrm.github.io/images/2023-01-02-three-eyes/inpainti...

tiborsaas 4y ago
It's called feather edges for selection, it creates a blur around the selection. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OFIpc-iFtO1AQty-IJ6beLEGe6q3HsL_b0MM6Dg3KjpVj8O_TTKPy8lrX3DZ3lyuv7ssIKHN4sKxHg1BYUT_BLzxIc2g6Gt8r43YreaIqjDOZcNpN-Rp1yrdFgJxwCjm1CfBOHbJ https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OFIpc-iFtO1AQty-IJ6beLEGe6... He already had a good enough lantern, all he had to do is to set a tasteful setting for this.
- hexomancer 4y ago
  Thank you, I am aware what feather edges is. Here are the original photos: https://imgur.com/a/SgQ38bw https://imgur.com/a/SgQ38bw https://imgur.com/a/Gi0IZtB https://imgur.com/a/Gi0IZtB Can you apply feather edges for me and compare the results (and let's use the gentlemen's agreement that you will not spend more than 20 seconds)?
  - tiborsaas 4y ago
    I don't have photoshop :) Photopea on the other hand supports this. I can't do it in the time constraint, if that's the goal of course AI wins.
    - hexomancer 4y ago
      Well you claimed existing tools can do this in "real time" so 20 seconds is way more than that.
      - tiborsaas 4y ago
        I did see the results of my action in real time. Some tasks are easier and faster with PS and some aren't :)

ramblerman 4y ago

I think it's amusing how completely you miss the capability of what OP did, vs what photoshop can do. 1. Generate me an eye 2. now place 3 of these on a head where I choose 3. merge it in for me, in some way that fits the overall image. The 4th step (missing due to time it takes) iterate over a few iterations till I see one I like. 3 years from now a novice will be able to do more advanced photoediting than a pro inside photoshop right now.

tiborsaas 4y ago
I fully understood what he did, but what he dreams about is already possible now in another environment in real time. I guess AI performance will catch up quickly. Meanwhile combining different programs yield the best result. I used like 3-4 tools to get a final render I was happy with when I felt the need to play with them. It's already the case that photoediting for novices are a reality, but the level of control is lacking.

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