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> Maybe like blockchain, once the AI/ML fantasy hype dies down Two minutes of silence for the poor sods who still thinks that AI/ML is pure hype. (Granted, th

by rg111 4y ago

> Maybe like blockchain, once the AI/ML fantasy hype dies down Two minutes of silence for the poor sods who still thinks that AI/ML is pure hype. (Granted, there is hype. But there is much real stuff.) And, also, blockchain and ML/AI are nothing similar, except for Twitter bottom-feeders trying to milk each. AI/ML already has real applications with hundreds of millions of dollars actual value created. And just like CS itself, AI/ML will perpetrate more and more fields in the coming days. There may not be an AGI soon, or ever, but mark my words, AI/ML will continue to have growing real applications in different fields. Blockchain had only hype. ML has substance + hype (AGI, silver bullet to all problems, etc.). I will not engage in language wars like GP here, because those are stupid. I work all day with Python, and I also enjoy coding in Ruby sometimes in hobby projects.

marcinzm 4y ago
>AI/ML already has real applications with hundreds of millions of dollars actual value created. Hundreds of billions a year probably (and that may be low) if you count online advertising and large consumer facing sites in general. If you turned off the ML behind Facebook/Google/Netflix/Amazon then you'd be lucky to only lose 50% revenue based on my personal experience of adding ML on top of such products.
- rg111 4y ago
  That is true. ML in recsys of Netflix and product suggestion/placement in Amazon are worth tens of billions of dollar alone, per month.
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- michaelteter 4y ago
  That's a handful of companies. I'm not talking about them (and they also use many other languages in addition to Python). I said, "there are so many more jobs for another popular language", and I was clearly speaking of the broad job market... not a few big players.
  - marcinzm 4y ago
    >I said, "there are so many more jobs for another popular language", and I was clearly speaking of the broad job market... not a few big players. Most every large company uses AI/ML to actually drive revenue and the number of engineers they'll hire dwarfs all the small startups put together. To you question however looking at the latest recruitment thread on HN there's roughly twice as much Python as Ruby. About 30% of the Python work is Data/ML related at first glance. So 40% more companies are hiring for Python versus Ruby pure backend right now. I'm not sure how a 40% difference is such a catastrophic difference. Python is popular because most every large company uses it nowadays and not because a bunch of non-name startups are using it slightly more often than Ruby.

by rg111 4y ago

marcinzm 4y ago

>AI/ML already has real applications with hundreds of millions of dollars actual value created. Hundreds of billions a year probably (and that may be low) if you count online advertising and large consumer facing sites in general. If you turned off the ML behind Facebook/Google/Netflix/Amazon then you'd be lucky to only lose 50% revenue based on my personal experience of adding ML on top of such products.

rg111 4y ago
That is true. ML in recsys of Netflix and product suggestion/placement in Amazon are worth tens of billions of dollar alone, per month.
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michaelteter 4y ago
That's a handful of companies. I'm not talking about them (and they also use many other languages in addition to Python). I said, "there are so many more jobs for another popular language", and I was clearly speaking of the broad job market... not a few big players.
- marcinzm 4y ago
  >I said, "there are so many more jobs for another popular language", and I was clearly speaking of the broad job market... not a few big players. Most every large company uses AI/ML to actually drive revenue and the number of engineers they'll hire dwarfs all the small startups put together. To you question however looking at the latest recruitment thread on HN there's roughly twice as much Python as Ruby. About 30% of the Python work is Data/ML related at first glance. So 40% more companies are hiring for Python versus Ruby pure backend right now. I'm not sure how a 40% difference is such a catastrophic difference. Python is popular because most every large company uses it nowadays and not because a bunch of non-name startups are using it slightly more often than Ruby.