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> Would you stop visiting hacker news even though ChatGPT is using the content from its pages? NO. Would I stop visiting hacker news once most of the articles

by jfk13 4y ago

> Would you stop visiting hacker news even though ChatGPT is using the content from its pages? NO. Would I stop visiting hacker news once most of the articles and comments come from ChatGPT-driven bots? Yes. And how are we to avoid that happening?

kuboble 4y ago
I think via regulation. Two hundred years ago it would be hard to imagine that everyone would be registered in a central database and will need an ID to do many things. I think eventually the internet will have to give up on the idea of anonymity and places like HN will require it's users to be proven humans. Hour do you handle with humans using gpt to post? The same way you would handle botters in online chess.
- soco 4y ago
  Of course there are drawbacks to that central registration - anonymity as we know it gets left behind. Yes the central registration could offer also "anonymous" handles for social media daily use, but to the police and any able hackers this would be nothing.
- feanaro 4y ago
  I disagree vehemently with the idea of abandoning anonymity. I don't think it will fly. I prefer closed communities with invite chains, where user have a limited number of invites.
- _heimdall 4y ago
  Sure feels like we've made a wrong turn when we find ourselves in the middle of creating a problem and already have to reach for regulation as the cure. I fully expect GPT and similar to ruin the internet in many of the ways mentioned in this thread. What's really confusing to me though is why we are going down this path at all when it is so clearly a bad idea. Where does the net positive come from that outweighs the massive risk of such massive AI systems? Even the leaders at MS know this is a bad idea but fell into the trap of "we're the good guys, if we don't do this a bad actor will"
  - jfk13 4y ago
    “Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”
- alecco 4y ago
  And how do you make sure the registered people don't use an assistant to write their comments and post?
grog454 4y ago
I've already encountered a number of posts that seem like they're written by bots here, and they indeed reduce my time spent on the site.
- ech0-de 4y ago
  How do you recognize that a comment has been written by a bot?
mr_toad 4y ago
> And how are we to avoid that happening? Once AI are capable of writing comments that pass as human, why even worry? https://xkcd.com/810 https://xkcd.com/810

by jfk13 4y ago

kuboble 4y ago

I think via regulation. Two hundred years ago it would be hard to imagine that everyone would be registered in a central database and will need an ID to do many things. I think eventually the internet will have to give up on the idea of anonymity and places like HN will require it's users to be proven humans. Hour do you handle with humans using gpt to post? The same way you would handle botters in online chess.

soco 4y ago
Of course there are drawbacks to that central registration - anonymity as we know it gets left behind. Yes the central registration could offer also "anonymous" handles for social media daily use, but to the police and any able hackers this would be nothing.
feanaro 4y ago
I disagree vehemently with the idea of abandoning anonymity. I don't think it will fly. I prefer closed communities with invite chains, where user have a limited number of invites.
_heimdall 4y ago
Sure feels like we've made a wrong turn when we find ourselves in the middle of creating a problem and already have to reach for regulation as the cure. I fully expect GPT and similar to ruin the internet in many of the ways mentioned in this thread. What's really confusing to me though is why we are going down this path at all when it is so clearly a bad idea. Where does the net positive come from that outweighs the massive risk of such massive AI systems? Even the leaders at MS know this is a bad idea but fell into the trap of "we're the good guys, if we don't do this a bad actor will"
- jfk13 4y ago
  “Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”
alecco 4y ago
And how do you make sure the registered people don't use an assistant to write their comments and post?

grog454 4y ago

I've already encountered a number of posts that seem like they're written by bots here, and they indeed reduce my time spent on the site.

ech0-de 4y ago
How do you recognize that a comment has been written by a bot?

mr_toad 4y ago

> And how are we to avoid that happening? Once AI are capable of writing comments that pass as human, why even worry? https://xkcd.com/810 https://xkcd.com/810