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> A normal end user cannot do anything about this without significant effort. This succinctly captures an important truth about computers (and especially mobil

by tonyg 4y ago

> A normal end user cannot do anything about this without significant effort. This succinctly captures an important truth about computers (and especially mobile phones) over the past thirty years or so. Free software communities just don't, ironically, seem to have really had user empowerment as a core value since around the mid-90s or so.

seqastian 4y ago
Everyone could install the beta and help out. Nobody does. Damn those ivory tower developers not listening to the people.
- birksherty 4y ago
  It's should not be necessary for all to give feedback for basic things and developers who have no idea about design should not change design.
  - guipsp 4y ago
    Great! I'm sure you have made a patch addressing these issues?
    - andrepd 4y ago
      People had and they've been liminarly rejected
      - guipsp 4y ago
        Have they? Do you mean this MR (which is open)? https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent/pull/18214 https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent/pull/18214
- deleted 4y ago
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- Arnavion 4y ago
  Why would I install the beta? The current version works fine. They don't need to change anything in the first place. And if they hadn't changed anything they wouldn't have had to "listen to the people" because there would've been nothing to listen about.
midoridensha 4y ago
Some Free software communities, such as the Gnome devs, explicitly reject the idea that users should be able to control the way their systems look.
rakoo 4y ago
> Free software communities just don't, ironically, seem to have really had user empowerment as a core value since around the mid-90s or so. Of course they have. Empowerment is not simply teaching people how to code, it's first and foremost giving control to users. Allowing them to understand how things work, why it changed, participate in the community to ask questions, surface bugs, and discuss on features. Change tools because formats are standardized and documented. Just like farmers using open hardware tools are not expected to be able to repair everything, but to have the right to repair the way they want.
- ComodoHacker 4y ago
  Also, there wouldn't be cheap Android phones without Linux kernel, SQLite and other OSS. The empowerment is real.
tonyg 4y ago
Seriously, begging developers to change or fix things doesn't count as "user empowerment", and neither does spending the 10,000 hours necessary to figure out the maze of interlocking horrible technologies required to try to fix it oneself. It's a developer full-employment theorem for sure: people's jobs depend on users not being able to address their own problems when it comes to getting computers to do what they need.

by tonyg 4y ago

seqastian 4y ago

Everyone could install the beta and help out. Nobody does. Damn those ivory tower developers not listening to the people.

birksherty 4y ago
It's should not be necessary for all to give feedback for basic things and developers who have no idea about design should not change design.
- guipsp 4y ago
  Great! I'm sure you have made a patch addressing these issues?
  - andrepd 4y ago
    People had and they've been liminarly rejected
    - guipsp 4y ago
      Have they? Do you mean this MR (which is open)? https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent/pull/18214 https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent/pull/18214
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Arnavion 4y ago
Why would I install the beta? The current version works fine. They don't need to change anything in the first place. And if they hadn't changed anything they wouldn't have had to "listen to the people" because there would've been nothing to listen about.

midoridensha 4y ago

Some Free software communities, such as the Gnome devs, explicitly reject the idea that users should be able to control the way their systems look.

rakoo 4y ago

> Free software communities just don't, ironically, seem to have really had user empowerment as a core value since around the mid-90s or so. Of course they have. Empowerment is not simply teaching people how to code, it's first and foremost giving control to users. Allowing them to understand how things work, why it changed, participate in the community to ask questions, surface bugs, and discuss on features. Change tools because formats are standardized and documented. Just like farmers using open hardware tools are not expected to be able to repair everything, but to have the right to repair the way they want.

ComodoHacker 4y ago
Also, there wouldn't be cheap Android phones without Linux kernel, SQLite and other OSS. The empowerment is real.

tonyg 4y ago

Seriously, begging developers to change or fix things doesn't count as "user empowerment", and neither does spending the 10,000 hours necessary to figure out the maze of interlocking horrible technologies required to try to fix it oneself. It's a developer full-employment theorem for sure: people's jobs depend on users not being able to address their own problems when it comes to getting computers to do what they need.