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Im not American. I have no horse in the woke/conservative culture race. Regardless of the problems in the US, neither the US nor any other country on the plane

Im not American. I have no horse in the woke/conservative culture race. Regardless of the problems in the US, neither the US nor any other country on the planet is facing a crisis like Japan. Not even the Western European countries that have a depopulation problem. The crisis in Japan is at a level that has never been seen since the start of early modern age. > I hope you have the good sense to leave the Japanese people alone offline. Its hard to interpret what that even means. This is a social studies topic in which people are discussing a major phenomenon. People cant stop discussing sciences for the fear of a certain demographic not wanting them discussing it.

swexbe 4y ago
> Regardless of the problems in the US, neither the US nor any other country on the planet is facing a crisis like Japan. I'm guessing you haven't followed what's been happening in eastern Europe the last few decades very closely? For example, Bulgaria has already lost about 30% of it's population since 1988 and is predicted to lose much more in the coming years.
- watwut 4y ago
  Are you claiming Bulgaria and Japan situations are similar?
- unity1001 4y ago
  > I'm guessing you haven't followed what's been happening in eastern Europe the last few decades very closely? Im aware of the different demographic situations in different regions. Bulgaria and parts of Eastern Europe's depopulations are not due to endemic factors like Japan's, but due to effects of Eu which cause the youth to move to other countries for jobs and settle there. Japan does not have such a situation. It is depopulation solely out of declining birth rates.
  - swexbe 4y ago
    No, all countries in EEU have fertility rates below replacement. UN population fund says 1.6 for Bulgaria but some countries (Croatia, Serbia, Ukraine) have the same as Japan (1.4). Some countries in south Europe have an even lower fertility rate (Portugal, Greece, Italy are all at 1.3). Emigration is just an aggravating factor on top of this.
    - unity1001 4y ago
      Each of those countries are either countries that were affected by the 2008 crisis, or countries that are being used by the richer countries in the Eu as cheap labor sources. Even though their birth rates may be below replacement, the real crisis comes from emigration from those countries.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > For example, Bulgaria has already lost about 30% of it's population since 1988 and is predicted to lose much more in the coming years. Half-Croat here. We have the same issue, but at least the EU is throwing money around across the board to lift up standards of living in order to curb emigration, and it's not just money either, it's as well enforcing at least a basic code of conduct for politicians. A large part that drives young people away is endemic corruption, and the metrics for that have improved virtually everywhere in the EU except Poland, Hungary and sadly Slovenia.

swexbe 4y ago

> Regardless of the problems in the US, neither the US nor any other country on the planet is facing a crisis like Japan. I'm guessing you haven't followed what's been happening in eastern Europe the last few decades very closely? For example, Bulgaria has already lost about 30% of it's population since 1988 and is predicted to lose much more in the coming years.

watwut 4y ago
Are you claiming Bulgaria and Japan situations are similar?
unity1001 4y ago
> I'm guessing you haven't followed what's been happening in eastern Europe the last few decades very closely? Im aware of the different demographic situations in different regions. Bulgaria and parts of Eastern Europe's depopulations are not due to endemic factors like Japan's, but due to effects of Eu which cause the youth to move to other countries for jobs and settle there. Japan does not have such a situation. It is depopulation solely out of declining birth rates.
- swexbe 4y ago
  No, all countries in EEU have fertility rates below replacement. UN population fund says 1.6 for Bulgaria but some countries (Croatia, Serbia, Ukraine) have the same as Japan (1.4). Some countries in south Europe have an even lower fertility rate (Portugal, Greece, Italy are all at 1.3). Emigration is just an aggravating factor on top of this.
  - unity1001 4y ago
    Each of those countries are either countries that were affected by the 2008 crisis, or countries that are being used by the richer countries in the Eu as cheap labor sources. Even though their birth rates may be below replacement, the real crisis comes from emigration from those countries.
mschuster91 4y ago
> For example, Bulgaria has already lost about 30% of it's population since 1988 and is predicted to lose much more in the coming years. Half-Croat here. We have the same issue, but at least the EU is throwing money around across the board to lift up standards of living in order to curb emigration, and it's not just money either, it's as well enforcing at least a basic code of conduct for politicians. A large part that drives young people away is endemic corruption, and the metrics for that have improved virtually everywhere in the EU except Poland, Hungary and sadly Slovenia.