> Hah, ‘merely practical’ is high praise for a concern IMO? I'm not sure that you're following exactly what I mean. I'm saying that once any ethical barrier in

> Hah, ‘merely practical’ is high praise for a concern IMO? I'm not sure that you're following exactly what I mean. I'm saying that once any ethical barrier involving 'obligation' to society is overcome, it's a problem to be calculated like any else. What are the risks, what are the returns. As for the second part, it doesn't matter when the result is the same. I don't care if I'm being persecuted or ignored when my life is still shit. I'm not willing to sit on my hands under some false belief that turning the other cheek is pious when the only life I'll ever live is slipping through my fingers.