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> We must all share your values or perish? Japan is perishing because of the values it currently has. Pseudo-feudal society that imitates the samurai-ruled com

> We must all share your values or perish? Japan is perishing because of the values it currently has. Pseudo-feudal society that imitates the samurai-ruled commoners who must sacrifice their lives for one zaibatsu or the other, never-ending work in which they must karoshi themselves out for the 'ganbare' principle, extreme xenophobia that even afflicts Japanese that move from one region to another, leave aside immigrants. You definitely don't have to share his values. His values may not even be suitable for you. But you definitely must stop having the current values that you have since they are literally eradicating your society in an a case that has not been ever seen in modern age before.

lmm 4y ago
Japan is doing better than most developed societies. Countries that allow more immigration may paper over their population decline, but the resulting social problems mean the cure is worse than the disease.
- unity1001 4y ago
  > Japan is doing better than most developed societies As far as I know no country including the depopulating Western European countries face the demographic crisis that Japan faces. Its a crisis at a totally different level.
  - lmm 4y ago
    Nah. If you subtract out the effects of immigration the likes of e.g. France are doing worse, and even if you don't believe that, South Korea is doing worse than Japan even in raw numbers.
    - rippercushions 4y ago
      Japan is, however, unique simply in being at least 10 years ahead on the demographic curve compared to any other aging country, so they're a crystal ball of where we're all going. Also, it's not meaningful to say "France is doing worse except for the immigrants", because the immigrants are there for good and they're having children, taking jobs, paying taxes, etc, which changes the equation for everybody else as well.
    - unity1001 4y ago
      > If you subtract out the effects of immigration Why would you subtract the effects of immigration. Immigration is how a lot of countries are getting out of the stranglehold in the first place. And Japan cant even do immigration. That's the problem. Within at most 2 generations, those European immigrants' descendants will become integrated enough to their European countries - as it happened in countries that started getting immigrants much before others. For Spanish speaking countries, its much better - immigrants just fit into the society immediately - partly because a precedent/format already pre-existing, partly because Latin countries are pretty social and swiftly integrate anyone. Compared to those, Japan is in an extremely worse position not only due to the lingering presence of the feudal society, but also xenophobia, overwork culture and various other factors
- fzeroracer 4y ago
  Doing better how, exactly? People can't retire because the retirement age is going up or there's no one to run the business. There are vast swathes of cities that have become literal ghost towns because the children leave and the parents die. The economy has become massively stagnate, quality of living is going down and the generation that they expect to support these final pillars has been checking out due to horrid working conditions.
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recuter 4y ago
> You definitely must stop having the current values that you have There it is, mask off. I'm not Japanese but since we are making assumptions I could guess that you are a "progressive" American or from certain parts of the "Western World". Should I be so inclined I could enumerate the many problems the west has and its own current obvious decline. Ironically you yourselves are the very source of the doomer memes. I could further declare that your country is obviously perishing because of the wrongfully adopted woke values currently in vogue and that you must repent and adopt sharia law. Of course that would be a monumentally stupid and outright fascist take on things as it is really not my place to dictate to other cultures that their values are wrong and they must adopt mine or suffer immensely. If I don't gel with a society rather than sanctimoniously preaching I simply steer clear. I hope you have the good sense to leave the Japanese people alone offline.
- unity1001 4y ago
  Im not American. I have no horse in the woke/conservative culture race. Regardless of the problems in the US, neither the US nor any other country on the planet is facing a crisis like Japan. Not even the Western European countries that have a depopulation problem. The crisis in Japan is at a level that has never been seen since the start of early modern age. > I hope you have the good sense to leave the Japanese people alone offline. Its hard to interpret what that even means. This is a social studies topic in which people are discussing a major phenomenon. People cant stop discussing sciences for the fear of a certain demographic not wanting them discussing it.
  - swexbe 4y ago
    > Regardless of the problems in the US, neither the US nor any other country on the planet is facing a crisis like Japan. I'm guessing you haven't followed what's been happening in eastern Europe the last few decades very closely? For example, Bulgaria has already lost about 30% of it's population since 1988 and is predicted to lose much more in the coming years.
    - watwut 4y ago
greggarious 4y ago
Japanese “work” is like DC law firms and NGOs - work can involve hoping no one notices you’re watching Netflix on your laptop to make it look like you’re staying late to benefit the company rather than engaging in performative nonsense :-) I’d have more sympathy if they were actually productively using those long hours…
- mschuster91 4y ago
  No matter if it's productive or lazy usage of your time at work, the problem is it's time you spend at work instead of at home with your s/o or outside to find one. Can't have children if you're too dead after work to have sex.

lmm 4y ago

Japan is doing better than most developed societies. Countries that allow more immigration may paper over their population decline, but the resulting social problems mean the cure is worse than the disease.

unity1001 4y ago
> Japan is doing better than most developed societies As far as I know no country including the depopulating Western European countries face the demographic crisis that Japan faces. Its a crisis at a totally different level.
- lmm 4y ago
  Nah. If you subtract out the effects of immigration the likes of e.g. France are doing worse, and even if you don't believe that, South Korea is doing worse than Japan even in raw numbers.
  - rippercushions 4y ago
    Japan is, however, unique simply in being at least 10 years ahead on the demographic curve compared to any other aging country, so they're a crystal ball of where we're all going. Also, it's not meaningful to say "France is doing worse except for the immigrants", because the immigrants are there for good and they're having children, taking jobs, paying taxes, etc, which changes the equation for everybody else as well.
  - unity1001 4y ago
    > If you subtract out the effects of immigration Why would you subtract the effects of immigration. Immigration is how a lot of countries are getting out of the stranglehold in the first place. And Japan cant even do immigration. That's the problem. Within at most 2 generations, those European immigrants' descendants will become integrated enough to their European countries - as it happened in countries that started getting immigrants much before others. For Spanish speaking countries, its much better - immigrants just fit into the society immediately - partly because a precedent/format already pre-existing, partly because Latin countries are pretty social and swiftly integrate anyone. Compared to those, Japan is in an extremely worse position not only due to the lingering presence of the feudal society, but also xenophobia, overwork culture and various other factors
fzeroracer 4y ago
Doing better how, exactly? People can't retire because the retirement age is going up or there's no one to run the business. There are vast swathes of cities that have become literal ghost towns because the children leave and the parents die. The economy has become massively stagnate, quality of living is going down and the generation that they expect to support these final pillars has been checking out due to horrid working conditions.

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recuter 4y ago

> You definitely must stop having the current values that you have There it is, mask off. I'm not Japanese but since we are making assumptions I could guess that you are a "progressive" American or from certain parts of the "Western World". Should I be so inclined I could enumerate the many problems the west has and its own current obvious decline. Ironically you yourselves are the very source of the doomer memes. I could further declare that your country is obviously perishing because of the wrongfully adopted woke values currently in vogue and that you must repent and adopt sharia law. Of course that would be a monumentally stupid and outright fascist take on things as it is really not my place to dictate to other cultures that their values are wrong and they must adopt mine or suffer immensely. If I don't gel with a society rather than sanctimoniously preaching I simply steer clear. I hope you have the good sense to leave the Japanese people alone offline.

unity1001 4y ago
Im not American. I have no horse in the woke/conservative culture race. Regardless of the problems in the US, neither the US nor any other country on the planet is facing a crisis like Japan. Not even the Western European countries that have a depopulation problem. The crisis in Japan is at a level that has never been seen since the start of early modern age. > I hope you have the good sense to leave the Japanese people alone offline. Its hard to interpret what that even means. This is a social studies topic in which people are discussing a major phenomenon. People cant stop discussing sciences for the fear of a certain demographic not wanting them discussing it.
- swexbe 4y ago
  > Regardless of the problems in the US, neither the US nor any other country on the planet is facing a crisis like Japan. I'm guessing you haven't followed what's been happening in eastern Europe the last few decades very closely? For example, Bulgaria has already lost about 30% of it's population since 1988 and is predicted to lose much more in the coming years.
  - watwut 4y ago

greggarious 4y ago

Japanese “work” is like DC law firms and NGOs - work can involve hoping no one notices you’re watching Netflix on your laptop to make it look like you’re staying late to benefit the company rather than engaging in performative nonsense :-) I’d have more sympathy if they were actually productively using those long hours…

mschuster91 4y ago
No matter if it's productive or lazy usage of your time at work, the problem is it's time you spend at work instead of at home with your s/o or outside to find one. Can't have children if you're too dead after work to have sex.