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You have to remember that immigrants tend to be self-selected - they're the people with the get up and go to leave their lives and travel to another country and

You have to remember that immigrants tend to be self-selected - they're the people with the get up and go to leave their lives and travel to another country and make another new life - of course there are more entrepreneurs in immigrant communities

dragonwriter 4y ago
> You have to remember that immigrants tend to be self-selected - they're the people with the get up and go to leave their lives and travel to another country and make another new life - of course there are more entrepreneurs in immigrant communities On top of self-selection, they are also selected by the immigration system, which is... not a neutral force.
andix 4y ago
In Europe we are currently mostly selecting refugees. Most of the migration of qualified people is taking place inside the European Union, where people can move and work freely. Well educated people from other countries usually pick the US or Canada, as they are actively looking for qualified people.
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  I thought OP meant refugees when I read it. You typically don't become a refugee ending up in Europe by sitting still in your city of origin, then suddenly being airlifted into Germany. It's hard work ending up in Europe. You have to be driven, one way or another, to endure that journey.
  - snordgren 4y ago
    It's hard work, but if you come at 18 you're missing 11-12 years of employer-relevant schooling compared to your local peers, and your parents aren't there to encourage you to value education. Refugees are at a disadvantage in terms of employability, capital, and in academic capital, while the European labor market has high unemployment, few low-skilled jobs, and high educational demands on most jobs. They may be driven, but the deck is stacked against them, which is why we aren't seeing more impressive outcomes for these groups.
    - DoughnutHole 4y ago
      Education, language, and refugee-specific labour restrictions are the biggest issue. By education I don't even mean they're undereducated - for example over 40% of Syrian refugees here in Ireland are college educated, comparable to the overall level nationally. But their educational institutions are unknown here, and not necessarily trusted - and a limited grasp of the language is always going to hold you back. We have a significant shortage of medical staff here but Ukrainian doctors have so far been unable to enter the workforce because it takes about a year to go through exams to verify their qualifications. Plus asylum seekers in many countries are banned from working at all - hard to have a good economic outcome when you're not allowed to earn an income, sometimes for years.
SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
That wasn't the original claim: > There are increasingly fewer young people and a lot of them are first or second generation immigrants, that are lacking the needed skills/knowledge to run a business. That reads to me that immigrants are less likely and don't have the skills to be entrepreneurs.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> You have to remember that immigrants tend to be self-selected - they're the people with the get up and go to leave their lives and travel to another country and make another new life - of course there are more entrepreneurs in immigrant communities On top of self-selection, they are also selected by the immigration system, which is... not a neutral force.

andix 4y ago

In Europe we are currently mostly selecting refugees. Most of the migration of qualified people is taking place inside the European Union, where people can move and work freely. Well educated people from other countries usually pick the US or Canada, as they are actively looking for qualified people.

actionfromafar 4y ago
I thought OP meant refugees when I read it. You typically don't become a refugee ending up in Europe by sitting still in your city of origin, then suddenly being airlifted into Germany. It's hard work ending up in Europe. You have to be driven, one way or another, to endure that journey.
- snordgren 4y ago
  It's hard work, but if you come at 18 you're missing 11-12 years of employer-relevant schooling compared to your local peers, and your parents aren't there to encourage you to value education. Refugees are at a disadvantage in terms of employability, capital, and in academic capital, while the European labor market has high unemployment, few low-skilled jobs, and high educational demands on most jobs. They may be driven, but the deck is stacked against them, which is why we aren't seeing more impressive outcomes for these groups.
  - DoughnutHole 4y ago
    Education, language, and refugee-specific labour restrictions are the biggest issue. By education I don't even mean they're undereducated - for example over 40% of Syrian refugees here in Ireland are college educated, comparable to the overall level nationally. But their educational institutions are unknown here, and not necessarily trusted - and a limited grasp of the language is always going to hold you back. We have a significant shortage of medical staff here but Ukrainian doctors have so far been unable to enter the workforce because it takes about a year to go through exams to verify their qualifications. Plus asylum seekers in many countries are banned from working at all - hard to have a good economic outcome when you're not allowed to earn an income, sometimes for years.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

That wasn't the original claim: > There are increasingly fewer young people and a lot of them are first or second generation immigrants, that are lacking the needed skills/knowledge to run a business. That reads to me that immigrants are less likely and don't have the skills to be entrepreneurs.