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How is „replacing the native population with immigrants“ materially different from „dying away gradually“?

renewiltord 4y ago
In the former universe, you lose genetic continuity but may retain cultural continuity. Up to you whether that matters. To the Japanese, who adopt adults into the family to preserve the family business notion, one can speculate that they care about the cultural continuity more than the genetic continuity, but it's hard to tell. Most online descriptions of Japanese people appear as caricatures, but from the few who I know who live in Japan, they are like any other human group: if some form of continuity or success is the only form accessible they will accept it.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  Most countries who import a lot of labor tend to specialize on a narrow profile of immigrants (Turks in Germany, Latinos in the US, Central Asians in Russia), hence they are not getting cultural continuity. The imported labor clings together and forms a distinct culture. In this regard it would make sense to eat it up and accept population decline. Japan of 50 million Japanese is still Japan. Japan of 40 million Japanese and 40 million Filipino is no longer Japan. May still be passable country, though.
  - Armisael16 4y ago
    Turks make up less than 15% of immigrants in Germany. The US currently gets more Asian immigrants than Latinos.
    - thriftwy 4y ago
      So you're confident that the melting pot will eventually cook the stew even as very little regard is given to what goes in it? That plus rigging the statistics to display much more favorable numbers.
      - wewtyflakes 4y ago
        https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-unit...
    - edgyquant 4y ago
      The US gets more legal immigrants from Asia maybe. Total immigrants I seriously doubt that
  - wewtyflakes 4y ago
    It may be different than it is today, but Japan is Japan regardless of how many people live or do not live there. Also, I do not follow why it makes sense to "eat it up and accept population decline"; can you elaborate?
sharkjacobs 4y ago
It's the difference between Miami, a city whose population is more than fifty percent immigrants, and Detroit, a city whose population has declined more than fifty percent.
- jdhn 4y ago
  To argue that Detroits issues are because of the lack of immigrants is a joke.
- JCharante 4y ago
  even if more people had moved to Detroit there would have been no jobs
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In the former universe, you lose genetic continuity but may retain cultural continuity. Up to you whether that matters. To the Japanese, who adopt adults into the family to preserve the family business notion, one can speculate that they care about the cultural continuity more than the genetic continuity, but it's hard to tell. Most online descriptions of Japanese people appear as caricatures, but from the few who I know who live in Japan, they are like any other human group: if some form of continuity or success is the only form accessible they will accept it.

thriftwy 4y ago
Most countries who import a lot of labor tend to specialize on a narrow profile of immigrants (Turks in Germany, Latinos in the US, Central Asians in Russia), hence they are not getting cultural continuity. The imported labor clings together and forms a distinct culture. In this regard it would make sense to eat it up and accept population decline. Japan of 50 million Japanese is still Japan. Japan of 40 million Japanese and 40 million Filipino is no longer Japan. May still be passable country, though.
- Armisael16 4y ago
  Turks make up less than 15% of immigrants in Germany. The US currently gets more Asian immigrants than Latinos.
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    So you're confident that the melting pot will eventually cook the stew even as very little regard is given to what goes in it? That plus rigging the statistics to display much more favorable numbers.
    - wewtyflakes 4y ago
      https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-unit...
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    The US gets more legal immigrants from Asia maybe. Total immigrants I seriously doubt that
- wewtyflakes 4y ago
  It may be different than it is today, but Japan is Japan regardless of how many people live or do not live there. Also, I do not follow why it makes sense to "eat it up and accept population decline"; can you elaborate?

sharkjacobs 4y ago

It's the difference between Miami, a city whose population is more than fifty percent immigrants, and Detroit, a city whose population has declined more than fifty percent.

jdhn 4y ago
To argue that Detroits issues are because of the lack of immigrants is a joke.
JCharante 4y ago
even if more people had moved to Detroit there would have been no jobs

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