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I see most of the comments here expressing skepticism getting downvoted (like what you would expect on reddit) Personal hot take: I've done this stuff before.

I see most of the comments here expressing skepticism getting downvoted (like what you would expect on reddit) Personal hot take: I've done this stuff before. I've seen the before and after of people who've done it. None of the people who did it were better off When it comes to psychedelics, there are two faces to them: how people talk about them and what they actually are. How they're talked about is 99% bullshit People will talk about "life changing experiences", that's cool. From the outside, the only changes I see are people turning to deadbeats and doing more and more drugs. Of course, Portland is already a containment zone for mentally ill people on the streets. They could always use more

moistly 4y ago
> I see most of the comments here expressing skepticism getting downvoted (like what you would expect on reddit) What with the many medical studies demonstrating treatment efficacy, it’s hardly surprising that scare-mongering anecdotes and ignorance-based commentary are downvoted.
willidiots 4y ago
One personal counterpoint, as a non-user: I trained under an elite alpinist for 3+ years. This is is someone who'd achieved much in their field, was a happy parent and generally seemed successful and content. We had a lot of intimate conversations (daily check-ins, 365 days a year). On the topic of existential dread and depression, he stated that the single most impactful thing he'd ever experienced was one shroom trip. He wasn't a regular user; just this single trip had a lasting effect on him. I've heard similar from less familiar sources, who are similarly successful and aren't drugged out. That said, I appreciate you're being skeptical here. I know more than one "medical cannabis" user who became a deadbeat. Dosing control needs to be a thing in this space, it's just a free-for-all right now.
burnished 4y ago
I had a good experience with mushrooms. It was a little stressful but I had a breakthrough and afterwards I found that I stopped compulsively reliving embarrassing/painful memories. What were your experiences like? Ive seen people do more and more drugs and fry their brain before but it never seemed like mushrooms were a big part of that. But we should absolutely be talking about it. Its not like anyone is best served by only hearing a narrow subset of experiences.
- spritefs 4y ago
  > It was a little stressful but I had a breakthrough and afterwards I found that I stopped compulsively reliving embarrassing/painful memories. I'm really happy that you got something positive out of them My issue with psychedelics in general is that one experience was able to accomplish significant changes. People make this sound like a good thing, but for most people that's way too much. The number of beneficiaries isn't enough to offset the number of casualties Some people will read this description I've written here and think "this is exactly what I need". Those are the last people who should be doing them. Making them available for "therapeutic use" just fast tracks access to people who are doing them for the wrong reasons > What were your experiences like? Ive seen people do more and more drugs and fry their brain before but it never seemed like mushrooms were a big part of that. I had one trip where I saw a sign that I should stop (in hindsight it was likely a coincidence, but it scared the shit out of me) I had a close friend who I introduced to them (because at the time I thought they were "good for people"). He dropped out of college and has been between jobs ever since. He still does them and is completely obsessed
OhioMan2943 4y ago
My take is that if you can't articulate your experience, or why it made you feel better, it can't be all that constructive.
aradox66 4y ago
I've seen significant negative effects in myself and others, but there's way too much clinical evidence at this point to dismiss the potential upsides.
TinyRick 4y ago
I'm curious, in what ways do you see yourself as being worse off now versus prior to having taken psychedelics?

moistly 4y ago

> I see most of the comments here expressing skepticism getting downvoted (like what you would expect on reddit) What with the many medical studies demonstrating treatment efficacy, it’s hardly surprising that scare-mongering anecdotes and ignorance-based commentary are downvoted.

willidiots 4y ago

One personal counterpoint, as a non-user: I trained under an elite alpinist for 3+ years. This is is someone who'd achieved much in their field, was a happy parent and generally seemed successful and content. We had a lot of intimate conversations (daily check-ins, 365 days a year). On the topic of existential dread and depression, he stated that the single most impactful thing he'd ever experienced was one shroom trip. He wasn't a regular user; just this single trip had a lasting effect on him. I've heard similar from less familiar sources, who are similarly successful and aren't drugged out. That said, I appreciate you're being skeptical here. I know more than one "medical cannabis" user who became a deadbeat. Dosing control needs to be a thing in this space, it's just a free-for-all right now.

burnished 4y ago

I had a good experience with mushrooms. It was a little stressful but I had a breakthrough and afterwards I found that I stopped compulsively reliving embarrassing/painful memories. What were your experiences like? Ive seen people do more and more drugs and fry their brain before but it never seemed like mushrooms were a big part of that. But we should absolutely be talking about it. Its not like anyone is best served by only hearing a narrow subset of experiences.

spritefs 4y ago
> It was a little stressful but I had a breakthrough and afterwards I found that I stopped compulsively reliving embarrassing/painful memories. I'm really happy that you got something positive out of them My issue with psychedelics in general is that one experience was able to accomplish significant changes. People make this sound like a good thing, but for most people that's way too much. The number of beneficiaries isn't enough to offset the number of casualties Some people will read this description I've written here and think "this is exactly what I need". Those are the last people who should be doing them. Making them available for "therapeutic use" just fast tracks access to people who are doing them for the wrong reasons > What were your experiences like? Ive seen people do more and more drugs and fry their brain before but it never seemed like mushrooms were a big part of that. I had one trip where I saw a sign that I should stop (in hindsight it was likely a coincidence, but it scared the shit out of me) I had a close friend who I introduced to them (because at the time I thought they were "good for people"). He dropped out of college and has been between jobs ever since. He still does them and is completely obsessed

OhioMan2943 4y ago

My take is that if you can't articulate your experience, or why it made you feel better, it can't be all that constructive.

aradox66 4y ago

I've seen significant negative effects in myself and others, but there's way too much clinical evidence at this point to dismiss the potential upsides.

TinyRick 4y ago

I'm curious, in what ways do you see yourself as being worse off now versus prior to having taken psychedelics?