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As a member of one of the minorities whose rights campaigns Prosser cites as ruining his footie, I'll say, apropos nothing, that it's much easier to talk about

As a member of one of the minorities whose rights campaigns Prosser cites as ruining his footie, I'll say, apropos nothing, that it's much easier to talk about these issues with detached neutrality when you & your friends are not subject to monotonically increasing levels of stochastic domestic terrorism.

rayiner 4y ago
As a member of one of those minorities as well, I think that’s a lazy cop out and also in the long run bad for us. It drove me nuts during the Trump era when non-Muslims acted like banning refugees from Muslim countries with high levels of terrorist activity was the same as discussing how to round up brown people into internment camps. You can’t piss on people’s leg and tell them it’s raining. Those were conversations that people in Muslim countries had also. Shouting down that debate won’t make the concerns go away, and will only lead to problems down the road.
- TheCoelacanth 4y ago
  Banning refugees from those countries by itself wasn't perceived that way. Publicly promising that you're going to ban all Muslims from the US and then immediately afterwards banning travel from some predominately Muslim countries and telling your supporters that you fulfilled your promise was.
Guthur 4y ago
Sounds like you need to get new friends. We are all dealing with crap, we are all at the bottom of the pile getting the dregs from trickle down economic theory. It's not about one tiny fringe group, when we fight only for ever more specific fringe groups we ignore the injustice we are all subjected to.
- mcphage 4y ago
  > Sounds like you need to get new friends. I don't think I understand—which friends are you suggesting that 1attice get rid of?
  - Guthur 4y ago
    Surround yourself with people that share whatever your culture or sense of being is. You will feel far less alone and down trodden. My home society had shops during my life time that had recruitment signs that said things like "Catholics need not apply" or not long before that signs that said "No dogs, no Irish". But we are just fighting among ourselves for scraps. We are lied to continually and our ire is constantly misdirected. Since Roman times the world has been ruled by oligarchies of one form or another. Those are the people who would never give you or I the time of day. We are nothing but cattle, locked in our homes, mass medicate and marched off to the slaughter fields.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  We're all subject to injustice and can and absolutely find solidarity within that. It's also true that injustice and danger is not evenly distributed, and it's shitty and dismissive to pretend that it is. Far right extremist violence against queer people is absolutely a thing and it has been increasing for several years now, for example. How many of your friends have been killed violently by extremists in the last two years? If it's zero you maybe should just stfu about the injustice we're all subject to, in this context.

rayiner 4y ago

As a member of one of those minorities as well, I think that’s a lazy cop out and also in the long run bad for us. It drove me nuts during the Trump era when non-Muslims acted like banning refugees from Muslim countries with high levels of terrorist activity was the same as discussing how to round up brown people into internment camps. You can’t piss on people’s leg and tell them it’s raining. Those were conversations that people in Muslim countries had also. Shouting down that debate won’t make the concerns go away, and will only lead to problems down the road.

TheCoelacanth 4y ago
Banning refugees from those countries by itself wasn't perceived that way. Publicly promising that you're going to ban all Muslims from the US and then immediately afterwards banning travel from some predominately Muslim countries and telling your supporters that you fulfilled your promise was.

Guthur 4y ago

Sounds like you need to get new friends. We are all dealing with crap, we are all at the bottom of the pile getting the dregs from trickle down economic theory. It's not about one tiny fringe group, when we fight only for ever more specific fringe groups we ignore the injustice we are all subjected to.

mcphage 4y ago
> Sounds like you need to get new friends. I don't think I understand—which friends are you suggesting that 1attice get rid of?
- Guthur 4y ago
  Surround yourself with people that share whatever your culture or sense of being is. You will feel far less alone and down trodden. My home society had shops during my life time that had recruitment signs that said things like "Catholics need not apply" or not long before that signs that said "No dogs, no Irish". But we are just fighting among ourselves for scraps. We are lied to continually and our ire is constantly misdirected. Since Roman times the world has been ruled by oligarchies of one form or another. Those are the people who would never give you or I the time of day. We are nothing but cattle, locked in our homes, mass medicate and marched off to the slaughter fields.
giraffe_lady 4y ago
We're all subject to injustice and can and absolutely find solidarity within that. It's also true that injustice and danger is not evenly distributed, and it's shitty and dismissive to pretend that it is. Far right extremist violence against queer people is absolutely a thing and it has been increasing for several years now, for example. How many of your friends have been killed violently by extremists in the last two years? If it's zero you maybe should just stfu about the injustice we're all subject to, in this context.