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> I'm pretty sure society is not obligated to have an interest in you I have grown to believe over time that this is true, and that most people are willing to

> I'm pretty sure society is not obligated to have an interest in you I have grown to believe over time that this is true, and that most people are willing to throw away unsuccessful or unlucky others using this reasoning. It's depressing, but also frees you from feeling any particular obligation to society. If society doesn't either provide you with what you need or a means to achieve it, I recommend that you cheat, steal, tax-evade, and law-break as much as is personally beneficial.

lazide 4y ago
Be aware, that then opens you up to being directly attacked by, and not just ignored, by society. And society has lots of fangs, in that sense.
- hatefulmoron 4y ago
  That's merely a practical consideration. Besides, the difference between "ignored" and "directly attacked by" is mostly rhetorical when your psychological or physiological needs are unmet.
  - lazide 4y ago
    Hah, ‘merely practical’ is high praise for a concern IMO? It does matter. Plenty of subcultures have done stuff that is technically illegal, or at least could be prosecuted/or would be made illegal if noticed, but was quite beneficial to them in their own view, by not getting enough attention to be worth directly attacking! Or having folks be distracted enough elsewhere to not go after them. I’m guessing most in the LGBTQ space can pretty clearly identify the difference between the two, for instance. Being accepted being even nicer than both, of course. Catered to almost unheard of!
    - hatefulmoron 4y ago
      > Hah, ‘merely practical’ is high praise for a concern IMO? I'm not sure that you're following exactly what I mean. I'm saying that once any ethical barrier involving 'obligation' to society is overcome, it's a problem to be calculated like any else. What are the risks, what are the returns. As for the second part, it doesn't matter when the result is the same. I don't care if I'm being persecuted or ignored when my life is still shit. I'm not willing to sit on my hands under some false belief that turning the other cheek is pious when the only life I'll ever live is slipping through my fingers.
      - lazide 4y ago
        If you feel that way - you’ve likely never been actually prosecuted. It tends to really bring the contrast out in the shit spectrum. It can almost always get worse.

lazide 4y ago

Be aware, that then opens you up to being directly attacked by, and not just ignored, by society. And society has lots of fangs, in that sense.

hatefulmoron 4y ago
That's merely a practical consideration. Besides, the difference between "ignored" and "directly attacked by" is mostly rhetorical when your psychological or physiological needs are unmet.
- lazide 4y ago
  Hah, ‘merely practical’ is high praise for a concern IMO? It does matter. Plenty of subcultures have done stuff that is technically illegal, or at least could be prosecuted/or would be made illegal if noticed, but was quite beneficial to them in their own view, by not getting enough attention to be worth directly attacking! Or having folks be distracted enough elsewhere to not go after them. I’m guessing most in the LGBTQ space can pretty clearly identify the difference between the two, for instance. Being accepted being even nicer than both, of course. Catered to almost unheard of!
  - hatefulmoron 4y ago
    > Hah, ‘merely practical’ is high praise for a concern IMO? I'm not sure that you're following exactly what I mean. I'm saying that once any ethical barrier involving 'obligation' to society is overcome, it's a problem to be calculated like any else. What are the risks, what are the returns. As for the second part, it doesn't matter when the result is the same. I don't care if I'm being persecuted or ignored when my life is still shit. I'm not willing to sit on my hands under some false belief that turning the other cheek is pious when the only life I'll ever live is slipping through my fingers.
    - lazide 4y ago
      If you feel that way - you’ve likely never been actually prosecuted. It tends to really bring the contrast out in the shit spectrum. It can almost always get worse.