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As someone who started watching porn when he was 10 and wishes he hadn't, this seems like great news to me. Hopefully sites like reddit follow suit

Tozen 4y ago
Where were the parents? That a kid was able to pull such off without the parents knowing, demonstrates that Louisiana's nanny state laws are not going to help at all. Sneaky kids with some tech knowledge (access to a VPN being just the start) are going to circumvent the state, as easily as they can their parents. What the state is really trying to do, is push unreasonable police state control over adult citizens. They are making excuses for tracking and monitoring adults, along with censoring freedom of speech and expression. > ...seems like great news to me... There are people that think it's a great idea for all the women to cover up from head to toe. And even others that feel any violations of their religious beliefs (including sexual practices) are punishable with death. The state and those seeking to impose on others can keep taking this as far as others are willing to let them.
chrisco255 4y ago
I started probably as a 12 year old but don't regret it. That being said, I think the main thing for teens or whoever to understand is that these are actors and this is purely an entertainment production. Most women are not interested in non-emotional, non-intimate sex (although a small minority is), but watching porn at a young age might give you the impression that it's the case.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  > I think the main thing for teens or whoever to understand is that these are actors and this is purely an entertainment production Do you think that will be the case for the majority of preteens? Maybe once you become a teenager you can better understand, but the average age of first viewing porn is before the teenage years.
  - Brybry 4y ago
    It could be the case for the majority of preteens. Kids are able to understand at an early age the difference between (some) fantasy and reality.[1][2] For some porn it's very obvious and for some porn it's not. I think it's certainly better if parents decide what their kids are ready for and if the kids have the resources to help answer questions (my sex ed teacher was actually really good for this). Would most preteens even be interested in porn without a hormonal sex drive? Like how they see people kissing and still think it's "gross"? I know I had access to the internet fairly early, and it was hard to not accidentally stumble onto porn through searching, but I didn't start consuming porn until after I was actually a teenager. Even then I wasn't a large consumer because I was romantically interested in my peers and porn stars at the time looked a lot older. [1] https://news.utexas.edu/2006/11/27/young-children-learn-to-distinguish-between-fact-and-fiction-research-at-university-of-texas-at-austin-finds/ https://news.utexas.edu/2006/11/27/young-children-learn-to-d... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3689871/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3689871/
    - _-david-_ 4y ago
      >It could be the case for the majority of preteens. Kids are able to understand at an early age the difference between (some) fantasy and reality.[1][2] >For some porn it's very obvious and for some porn it's not. There is no way to properly distinguish between "fantasy" and "reality" porn and only restrict some porn. Unless you are going to mandate porn sites manually review every video and properly tag them. I also think there are other issues, like many young children not even knowing what sex is when they first view porn. I'm not sure how much you can distinguish between the two when you don't even know what you are looking at. >I think it's certainly better if parents decide what their kids are ready for and if the kids have the resources to help answer questions (my sex ed teacher was actually really good for this). I don't believe the average parent has the capability of blocking porn if their children are not ready. If we are going to go for the parents should deal with it route, then we need something that the parent can just check a box on. As far as I know, most ISPs don't provide this functionality which leaves parents in a situation they don't know how to solve. This assumes that parents know that this is a problem. Many parents don't realize that young kids so often access porn. The only way this could work is if the default is to block porn and you would have to request access from your ISP. Given the reaction when the UK did the same thing, I'm not sure it would be practical to do here. >Would most preteens even be interested in porn without hormonal ex drive? Sort of like how they see people kissing and still think it's "gross". >I know I had access to the internet fairly early, and it was hard to not accidentally stumble onto porn through searching, but I didn't start consuming porn until after I was actually a teenager. Many kids view porn before puberty and not just a one time sort of thing so I don't think hormonal drive is causing it for many kids.
greggarious 4y ago
Hopefully you'll focus on more than yourself. The issue is folks who will consume the media while shaming those in it. Nobody forced you to lie about your age, and these age checks are hard to do in a privacy preserving manner. (I had a Maxim subscription when I was ten-ish, the issue was conditioning folks to only be attracted to airbrushed, surgery laden folks with heaps of makeup and gym routines that are only accomplishable if "being pretty" is your full time job, those issues are the same whether it's porn or "just" modeling.)
tibbydudeza 4y ago
It all sounds like the war on drugs which was a total and utter failure and the infamous prohibition that led to the rise of the Mafia. Some people have vices legal or not and there always will be folks who will supply it for a price. P0rn is another form of addiction and should be treated as such.
kilohotel 4y ago
an appeal to authority over personal regrets is not a winning long term strategy
82369 4y ago
Why do you regret it, specifically? Did you notice any negative effects on your life? (Not trolling. I also started watching porn at a young age and I wonder if it had any negative effect on my development.)
- cvalka 4y ago
  Watching porn is a natural part of growing up. It's almost unavoidable.
  - gkc3 4y ago
    This doesn't mean it is a good thing. There are literally 0 benefits of it and many negatives.
sterlind 4y ago
why isn't this the parents' responsibility? parents can (or at least should be able to) block porn sites at the router. my parents set up my computer in the kitchen, where I couldn't hide the screen. that wouldn't work with mobile devices, but in the pre-smartphone world it was pretty effective. I still watched porn as a 15-yo, but I had to be careful not to get caught, and I don't regret it.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  >why isn't this the parents' responsibility? Just because it is the parents' responsibility, doesn't mean the government cannot also make laws regarding it. Would you recommend removing the laws banning 5 year olds from doing heroin just because it is a parent's responsibility? >parents can (or at least should be able to) block porn sites at the router. There are a few issues. 1. The average parent has no technological knowledge to be able to do this 2. Many blocks on routers use DNS blacklists. Browsers are now implementing encrypted DNS and will bypass the block. 3. Even if the blocker checks the host name, with ECH/ESNI around the corner this won't be possible soon.
- Tozen 4y ago
  > parents can (or at least should be able to) block porn sites at the router. Not only can parents block porn sites at the router, but they can lock down their kids browsers and even phones. Plenty of software and methods to accomplish this. That's what the state can be doing, making it easier for parents to supervise and manage their kids. What the state is instead doing, is sneaking in a nanny and police state, under the disguise of "protecting kids". Their nanny and police state regulations affect all, not kids. Just as easily (and arguably being more smart about it), the state could have setup a website and given free software tools for concerned parents to lockdown their kids computers and smartphones, if you really want to take it that far. Take it even further, have "certified" stores selling computer devices to be used by kids, to have this available for configuration and install for parents who want it. The BS that Louisiana is trying to pull off, is not going to stop kids (with any lick of knowledge about VPNs), nor help facilitate better parenting. It's just the state lying and fumbling its way towards becoming more draconian and pulling off more grift.

Tozen 4y ago

Where were the parents? That a kid was able to pull such off without the parents knowing, demonstrates that Louisiana's nanny state laws are not going to help at all. Sneaky kids with some tech knowledge (access to a VPN being just the start) are going to circumvent the state, as easily as they can their parents. What the state is really trying to do, is push unreasonable police state control over adult citizens. They are making excuses for tracking and monitoring adults, along with censoring freedom of speech and expression. > ...seems like great news to me... There are people that think it's a great idea for all the women to cover up from head to toe. And even others that feel any violations of their religious beliefs (including sexual practices) are punishable with death. The state and those seeking to impose on others can keep taking this as far as others are willing to let them.

chrisco255 4y ago

I started probably as a 12 year old but don't regret it. That being said, I think the main thing for teens or whoever to understand is that these are actors and this is purely an entertainment production. Most women are not interested in non-emotional, non-intimate sex (although a small minority is), but watching porn at a young age might give you the impression that it's the case.

_-david-_ 4y ago
> I think the main thing for teens or whoever to understand is that these are actors and this is purely an entertainment production Do you think that will be the case for the majority of preteens? Maybe once you become a teenager you can better understand, but the average age of first viewing porn is before the teenage years.
- Brybry 4y ago
  It could be the case for the majority of preteens. Kids are able to understand at an early age the difference between (some) fantasy and reality.[1][2] For some porn it's very obvious and for some porn it's not. I think it's certainly better if parents decide what their kids are ready for and if the kids have the resources to help answer questions (my sex ed teacher was actually really good for this). Would most preteens even be interested in porn without a hormonal sex drive? Like how they see people kissing and still think it's "gross"? I know I had access to the internet fairly early, and it was hard to not accidentally stumble onto porn through searching, but I didn't start consuming porn until after I was actually a teenager. Even then I wasn't a large consumer because I was romantically interested in my peers and porn stars at the time looked a lot older. [1] https://news.utexas.edu/2006/11/27/young-children-learn-to-distinguish-between-fact-and-fiction-research-at-university-of-texas-at-austin-finds/ https://news.utexas.edu/2006/11/27/young-children-learn-to-d... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3689871/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3689871/
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    >It could be the case for the majority of preteens. Kids are able to understand at an early age the difference between (some) fantasy and reality.[1][2] >For some porn it's very obvious and for some porn it's not. There is no way to properly distinguish between "fantasy" and "reality" porn and only restrict some porn. Unless you are going to mandate porn sites manually review every video and properly tag them. I also think there are other issues, like many young children not even knowing what sex is when they first view porn. I'm not sure how much you can distinguish between the two when you don't even know what you are looking at. >I think it's certainly better if parents decide what their kids are ready for and if the kids have the resources to help answer questions (my sex ed teacher was actually really good for this). I don't believe the average parent has the capability of blocking porn if their children are not ready. If we are going to go for the parents should deal with it route, then we need something that the parent can just check a box on. As far as I know, most ISPs don't provide this functionality which leaves parents in a situation they don't know how to solve. This assumes that parents know that this is a problem. Many parents don't realize that young kids so often access porn. The only way this could work is if the default is to block porn and you would have to request access from your ISP. Given the reaction when the UK did the same thing, I'm not sure it would be practical to do here. >Would most preteens even be interested in porn without hormonal ex drive? Sort of like how they see people kissing and still think it's "gross". >I know I had access to the internet fairly early, and it was hard to not accidentally stumble onto porn through searching, but I didn't start consuming porn until after I was actually a teenager. Many kids view porn before puberty and not just a one time sort of thing so I don't think hormonal drive is causing it for many kids.

greggarious 4y ago

Hopefully you'll focus on more than yourself. The issue is folks who will consume the media while shaming those in it. Nobody forced you to lie about your age, and these age checks are hard to do in a privacy preserving manner. (I had a Maxim subscription when I was ten-ish, the issue was conditioning folks to only be attracted to airbrushed, surgery laden folks with heaps of makeup and gym routines that are only accomplishable if "being pretty" is your full time job, those issues are the same whether it's porn or "just" modeling.)

tibbydudeza 4y ago

It all sounds like the war on drugs which was a total and utter failure and the infamous prohibition that led to the rise of the Mafia. Some people have vices legal or not and there always will be folks who will supply it for a price. P0rn is another form of addiction and should be treated as such.

kilohotel 4y ago

an appeal to authority over personal regrets is not a winning long term strategy

82369 4y ago

Why do you regret it, specifically? Did you notice any negative effects on your life? (Not trolling. I also started watching porn at a young age and I wonder if it had any negative effect on my development.)

cvalka 4y ago
Watching porn is a natural part of growing up. It's almost unavoidable.
- gkc3 4y ago
  This doesn't mean it is a good thing. There are literally 0 benefits of it and many negatives.

sterlind 4y ago

why isn't this the parents' responsibility? parents can (or at least should be able to) block porn sites at the router. my parents set up my computer in the kitchen, where I couldn't hide the screen. that wouldn't work with mobile devices, but in the pre-smartphone world it was pretty effective. I still watched porn as a 15-yo, but I had to be careful not to get caught, and I don't regret it.

_-david-_ 4y ago
>why isn't this the parents' responsibility? Just because it is the parents' responsibility, doesn't mean the government cannot also make laws regarding it. Would you recommend removing the laws banning 5 year olds from doing heroin just because it is a parent's responsibility? >parents can (or at least should be able to) block porn sites at the router. There are a few issues. 1. The average parent has no technological knowledge to be able to do this 2. Many blocks on routers use DNS blacklists. Browsers are now implementing encrypted DNS and will bypass the block. 3. Even if the blocker checks the host name, with ECH/ESNI around the corner this won't be possible soon.
Tozen 4y ago
> parents can (or at least should be able to) block porn sites at the router. Not only can parents block porn sites at the router, but they can lock down their kids browsers and even phones. Plenty of software and methods to accomplish this. That's what the state can be doing, making it easier for parents to supervise and manage their kids. What the state is instead doing, is sneaking in a nanny and police state, under the disguise of "protecting kids". Their nanny and police state regulations affect all, not kids. Just as easily (and arguably being more smart about it), the state could have setup a website and given free software tools for concerned parents to lockdown their kids computers and smartphones, if you really want to take it that far. Take it even further, have "certified" stores selling computer devices to be used by kids, to have this available for configuration and install for parents who want it. The BS that Louisiana is trying to pull off, is not going to stop kids (with any lick of knowledge about VPNs), nor help facilitate better parenting. It's just the state lying and fumbling its way towards becoming more draconian and pulling off more grift.