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Exactly. If this isn't respected you can be sure that Japan and a lot of other countries are going to produce nukes on a short notice.

danbruc 4y ago
What about the Iraq war? A Power Point with made up stuff is seemingly enough reason for a nuclear super power to invade a non-nuclear state and kill its head of state without due process. Where were the sanctions against the USA? Where were the weapons shipments in support of Iraq? Where were the worries about nuclear proliferation to be protected from that kind of shit? And yes, I said what about, so let me be clear before you write anything about Whataboutism. I can accept a world with shitty rules where accumulating enough weapons grants you an unlimited stack of get-out-of-jail-free cards, but much worse than shitty rules are different rules for different players, that is truly unfair. Let's just tell Putin that he did a bad thing and then move on as if nothing happened. Or would it not be better if we opposed the USA - and any other country doing stupid shit - as vigorously as we oppose Putin?
- H8crilA 4y ago
  I think that Iraq second time was an atrocity too. You can debate the scale but not the basic fact. The first time was certainly acceptable though, even necessary. I am not in a position to help the Iraqis today but I am in a position to help the Ukrainians, by advocating for their victory and by direct help out of my own pocket. In general those things should be considered separately, there is no simple connection between them. But yes America got away way too easily. About nukes - the attacking coalition has simply never threatened the usage of nukes. You can also note that during the Vietnam war there was an American general that wanted to fix their military failure with nukes, and he was immediately dismissed from his job.

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Exactly. If this isn't respected you can be sure that Japan and a lot of other countries are going to produce nukes on a short notice.

by H8crilA 4y ago

danbruc 4y ago
What about the Iraq war? A Power Point with made up stuff is seemingly enough reason for a nuclear super power to invade a non-nuclear state and kill its head of state without due process. Where were the sanctions against the USA? Where were the weapons shipments in support of Iraq? Where were the worries about nuclear proliferation to be protected from that kind of shit? And yes, I said what about, so let me be clear before you write anything about Whataboutism. I can accept a world with shitty rules where accumulating enough weapons grants you an unlimited stack of get-out-of-jail-free cards, but much worse than shitty rules are different rules for different players, that is truly unfair. Let's just tell Putin that he did a bad thing and then move on as if nothing happened. Or would it not be better if we opposed the USA - and any other country doing stupid shit - as vigorously as we oppose Putin?
- H8crilA 4y ago
  I think that Iraq second time was an atrocity too. You can debate the scale but not the basic fact. The first time was certainly acceptable though, even necessary. I am not in a position to help the Iraqis today but I am in a position to help the Ukrainians, by advocating for their victory and by direct help out of my own pocket. In general those things should be considered separately, there is no simple connection between them. But yes America got away way too easily. About nukes - the attacking coalition has simply never threatened the usage of nukes. You can also note that during the Vietnam war there was an American general that wanted to fix their military failure with nukes, and he was immediately dismissed from his job.