> why are we telling people what they're allowed to do with their bodies I don't think this is a useful defense of permissiveness, because it proves too much.

> why are we telling people what they're allowed to do with their bodies I don't think this is a useful defense of permissiveness, because it proves too much. We don't let people mutilate themselves either, because we consider it an indication of wrong thinking. It just isn't the case that all choices are respected, because not all behavior is accepted either. I don't think the state treats subjects like children. It treats them like components, components exist within tolerances or they are discarded/altered. The state isn't my parent, it is my master.