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1. I went through the checkout process years ago. The thing that struck me was how hidden and false all the prices turned out to be. It felt scammy with all the

1. I went through the checkout process years ago. The thing that struck me was how hidden and false all the prices turned out to be. It felt scammy with all the "Potential Savings" being shown. Right away my trust is down. 2. I believe they have cameras inside the car uploading to Tesla HQ. GTFO with anything like that. 3. As I understand it the build quality is fairly low for the price. This is possibly a rumor but it's another thing about trust.

sounds 4y ago
A similar note that gave me pause. (I eventually pulled the trigger and bought a model 3 but it took me a looong time.) - I want to be able to hook up a small, efficient generator, maybe as a back-mounted module. But Teslas can't be charged while in motion. (I don't want to _own_ such a generator. I want to rent one for long distance trips. Preferably one that uses 100% Ethanol or some other carbon neutral fuel. You get the point.)
ajross 4y ago
> The thing that struck me was how hidden and false all the prices turned out to be. It felt scammy with all the "Potential Savings" being shown Uh... that's the only spot where there's any adjustment shown[1]. Everything shows list price in the configurator. You want red, it shows "$2000" right there on the button. No adjustments. I mean, have you actually purchased a car from a dealer? It's just wild that you'd thing Tesla of all parties was the one obfuscating the transaction. It's the smoothest and most obvious purchase experience on the market. > I believe they have cameras inside the car uploading to Tesla HQ This is wildly wrong, where did you read that? Someone lied to you. There's a camera for driver attention monitoring (IIRC there's a rumor it'll soon be usable for video calls too), but no video telemetry happens. "Tesla HQ" does see where your car is though, and has access to stuff like charge data. Mostly people view that as a feature; there's a robust community of analysis tools available for us to nerd out over the cars. (To be fair: FSD beta vehicles will batch upload video from the exterior cameras on disengagement for training purposes, but that's an opt-in program). [1] For reference: they're adjusting for fuel cost of the vehicle vs gasoline, which I can attest is a very real effect. My 19k mile model Y has spent $1100 on electricity so far.
- lancesells 4y ago
  > You want red, it shows "$2000" right there on the button. No adjustments. I mean, have you actually purchased a car from a dealer? When I used the configurator it did not look like the current site. You can see it here: https://web.archive.org/web/20200205163057/https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#battery https://web.archive.org/web/20200205163057/https://www.tesla... > This is wildly wrong, where did you read that? Someone lied to you. There's a camera for driver attention monitoring (IIRC there's a rumor it'll soon be usable for video calls too), but no video telemetry happens. This article seems to say you can opt-out of the footage for the interior but maybe I'm wrong. https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-interior-cameras-driver-privacy-consumer-reports/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-interior-cameras-dr... https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/teslas-in-car-cameras-raise-privacy-concerns-a9884415005/ https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/teslas-in-car-camera... Their privacy policy indicates they gather Autopilot data (Vehicle equipped camera suite that provides advanced features such as Autopilot, Smart Summon, and Autopark) but not sure if that includes the interior. "To protect your privacy, camera images do not leave the vehicle itself and are not transmitted to anyone, including Tesla, unless you enable data sharing." https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#information-we-may-collect https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#information-we-may-colle...
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  > (IIRC there's a rumor it'll soon be usable for video calls too) That's not a rumor, that was announced.
  - seattle_spring 4y ago
    It was also announced that the cybertruck would have amphibious capabilities.
    - cypress66 4y ago
      Yeah because amphibious capabilities is the same as zoom integration on a car that already has a million software features like that.
mdeeks 4y ago
On #1: For me the pricing was a giant breath of fresh air compared to traditional dealerships. Audi kept me there for nearly three hours, the final price was 6k more than what was quoted to me on the floor, and they gave me what felt like a spreadsheet "explaining" the costs. Compare this to the final paper we got from Tesla: https://ibb.co/rsqGvFq https://ibb.co/rsqGvFq

sounds 4y ago

A similar note that gave me pause. (I eventually pulled the trigger and bought a model 3 but it took me a looong time.) - I want to be able to hook up a small, efficient generator, maybe as a back-mounted module. But Teslas can't be charged while in motion. (I don't want to _own_ such a generator. I want to rent one for long distance trips. Preferably one that uses 100% Ethanol or some other carbon neutral fuel. You get the point.)

ajross 4y ago

> The thing that struck me was how hidden and false all the prices turned out to be. It felt scammy with all the "Potential Savings" being shown Uh... that's the only spot where there's any adjustment shown[1]. Everything shows list price in the configurator. You want red, it shows "$2000" right there on the button. No adjustments. I mean, have you actually purchased a car from a dealer? It's just wild that you'd thing Tesla of all parties was the one obfuscating the transaction. It's the smoothest and most obvious purchase experience on the market. > I believe they have cameras inside the car uploading to Tesla HQ This is wildly wrong, where did you read that? Someone lied to you. There's a camera for driver attention monitoring (IIRC there's a rumor it'll soon be usable for video calls too), but no video telemetry happens. "Tesla HQ" does see where your car is though, and has access to stuff like charge data. Mostly people view that as a feature; there's a robust community of analysis tools available for us to nerd out over the cars. (To be fair: FSD beta vehicles will batch upload video from the exterior cameras on disengagement for training purposes, but that's an opt-in program). [1] For reference: they're adjusting for fuel cost of the vehicle vs gasoline, which I can attest is a very real effect. My 19k mile model Y has spent $1100 on electricity so far.

lancesells 4y ago
> You want red, it shows "$2000" right there on the button. No adjustments. I mean, have you actually purchased a car from a dealer? When I used the configurator it did not look like the current site. You can see it here: https://web.archive.org/web/20200205163057/https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#battery https://web.archive.org/web/20200205163057/https://www.tesla... > This is wildly wrong, where did you read that? Someone lied to you. There's a camera for driver attention monitoring (IIRC there's a rumor it'll soon be usable for video calls too), but no video telemetry happens. This article seems to say you can opt-out of the footage for the interior but maybe I'm wrong. https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-interior-cameras-driver-privacy-consumer-reports/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-interior-cameras-dr... https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/teslas-in-car-cameras-raise-privacy-concerns-a9884415005/ https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/teslas-in-car-camera... Their privacy policy indicates they gather Autopilot data (Vehicle equipped camera suite that provides advanced features such as Autopilot, Smart Summon, and Autopark) but not sure if that includes the interior. "To protect your privacy, camera images do not leave the vehicle itself and are not transmitted to anyone, including Tesla, unless you enable data sharing." https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#information-we-may-collect https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#information-we-may-colle...
Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
> (IIRC there's a rumor it'll soon be usable for video calls too) That's not a rumor, that was announced.
- seattle_spring 4y ago
  It was also announced that the cybertruck would have amphibious capabilities.
  - cypress66 4y ago
    Yeah because amphibious capabilities is the same as zoom integration on a car that already has a million software features like that.

mdeeks 4y ago

On #1: For me the pricing was a giant breath of fresh air compared to traditional dealerships. Audi kept me there for nearly three hours, the final price was 6k more than what was quoted to me on the floor, and they gave me what felt like a spreadsheet "explaining" the costs. Compare this to the final paper we got from Tesla: https://ibb.co/rsqGvFq https://ibb.co/rsqGvFq