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If you're really new, I'd say either python or c# (unless you have a goal in mind). C++ and rust are both a lot more difficult to learn if you don't have any ba

by eyegor 4y ago

If you're really new, I'd say either python or c# (unless you have a goal in mind). C++ and rust are both a lot more difficult to learn if you don't have any background imo. The scoping and memory management rules will distract you from learning the basics. Something like python with jupyter notebooks is pretty much perfect for learning or putting together quick projects, and c# to me feels like a more forgiving c++ with a less crufty stdlib. Plus rusts strict memory management rules don't really translate to other languages, and c++ has a habit of changing wildly. The c++ of 10 years ago barely looks the same whereas python and c# feel less like the goalposts are moving.

spaniard89277 4y ago
I'm already fairly deep into python, kinda knowledgeable in JS to make some minor stuff and currently I'm practicing a lot with git. After than it comes Java (i'm following a self-paced bootcamp path). Java seems interesting from an employment perspective, but the small stuff I've touched seems extremely verbose. I feel like I have to write and think way more to do simple stuff. But I just had a brief introduction, I guess I can get used to it. I wanted a compiled language that allows me to tackle some interests I have, and I feel It will be c/c++ wether I like or not, because one of my interests is fiddling with hardware. Nim can compile down do C apparently but it isn't widely adopted.
- eyegor 4y ago
  The reason I mentioned c# is because it feels like "if Java adopted new features at a decent rate" and these days pretty much all of it is MIT licensed. Coming from Java to c#, I found it much more ergonomic and productive mostly due to less boilerplate and more concise syntax sugar. There are several ways to compile it to native if you need to and it has great c/c++ ffi support, although if you're doing a lot with microcontrollers you'll end up writing c/c++ eventually. Luckily a lot of big langs (c/c++/c#/Java) have similar syntax and concepts since they all sort of started from c. I'd suggest waiting until you learn some java/c# before starting on c/c++, or instead starting at old school c (k&r c) or arduino c++. Modern c++ is a beast to learn.
  - spaniard89277 4y ago
    Hmm, so if java is a good introduction, I'll wait until I learn Java, thanks.

by eyegor 4y ago

spaniard89277 4y ago

I'm already fairly deep into python, kinda knowledgeable in JS to make some minor stuff and currently I'm practicing a lot with git. After than it comes Java (i'm following a self-paced bootcamp path). Java seems interesting from an employment perspective, but the small stuff I've touched seems extremely verbose. I feel like I have to write and think way more to do simple stuff. But I just had a brief introduction, I guess I can get used to it. I wanted a compiled language that allows me to tackle some interests I have, and I feel It will be c/c++ wether I like or not, because one of my interests is fiddling with hardware. Nim can compile down do C apparently but it isn't widely adopted.

eyegor 4y ago
The reason I mentioned c# is because it feels like "if Java adopted new features at a decent rate" and these days pretty much all of it is MIT licensed. Coming from Java to c#, I found it much more ergonomic and productive mostly due to less boilerplate and more concise syntax sugar. There are several ways to compile it to native if you need to and it has great c/c++ ffi support, although if you're doing a lot with microcontrollers you'll end up writing c/c++ eventually. Luckily a lot of big langs (c/c++/c#/Java) have similar syntax and concepts since they all sort of started from c. I'd suggest waiting until you learn some java/c# before starting on c/c++, or instead starting at old school c (k&r c) or arduino c++. Modern c++ is a beast to learn.
- spaniard89277 4y ago
  Hmm, so if java is a good introduction, I'll wait until I learn Java, thanks.