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Don’t remove fences unless you are damn sure why they were put up in the first place. The Gods of the Copybook Headings will return as they always do.

Stupulous 4y ago
It's not as though this is some thousand-year-old fence; psychadelics were illegalized under Nixon. If there was a reason other than 'they are drugs', it has not been made public, and all research at the time suggested that they should not have been illegalized. I'm open to being told I'm wrong, but 3 pages of google results did not push me in that direction.
- notch656c 4y ago
  These drugs have been illegal for a lifetime. It's hard to get people to accept even overwhelmingly beneficial technology into the main fold of society. I'm not optimistic anything beyond weed is gonna get legalized federally in our lifetime.
  - OkayPhysicist 4y ago
    As cannabis (and now psilocybin) have demonstrated, we don't really need federal legalization to make significant strides at the state level. If anything, it's a positive pushback against nearly a century of dramatic overreach by a federal government granted far too much power. At some point, the federal government will have to face the awkward situation that 100% of the desirable to live in states are in open contempt to federal law, and they have to play catch-up.
    - notch656c 4y ago
      Generically (not always true) red states have that for gun stuff (decriminalized unregistered / federally illegal NFA items) and blue states have that for pot and maybe even something else. It's hard for me to imagine the government will eventually catch up to freedom-leaning on either side, but I agree improvements at the state level is far better than nothing.
jobs_throwaway 4y ago
If you do the slightest bit of research into the criminalization of drugs in the US you will find that the people putting up those fences were laughably far from protectors of society. They were demonstrably more motivated by racism and classism than by a desire to safeguard social progress.
- notch656c 4y ago
  I think we're better off with a rich, mixed, and multicultural society but it may actually be true that a more homogenous society that tosses fringe races into the shredder or whatever is actually a safer place for the "right" people. Maybe they were protectors in their own racist way.
- lurquer 4y ago
  US laws are not the fence. Well-functioning societies have steered clear of intoxication. A A Clear-headed, rational, and objective view of reality is the goal. There’s nothing new about messing with your perception of reality. Wise men steer clear of it. Wise men counsel against intoxication of any kind. Fools don’t ask why.
  - kbelder 4y ago
    Your comment is sensible and, apparently, roundly rejected.
  - notch656c 4y ago
    Spending a tiny fraction of your life intoxicated allows you to make rational decisions despite occasional enjoying altered consciousness. There may be some level of brain damage but depending on the substance and how often it's used I question whether it's necessarily going to be the limiting factor in the aging body.
  - andrew_ 4y ago
    There is much new speculation by historians and archeologists that psychedelics are widely responsible for giant leaps in civilization and "society." Your take is a puritanical, modern view without regard to history or nuance.

Stupulous 4y ago

It's not as though this is some thousand-year-old fence; psychadelics were illegalized under Nixon. If there was a reason other than 'they are drugs', it has not been made public, and all research at the time suggested that they should not have been illegalized. I'm open to being told I'm wrong, but 3 pages of google results did not push me in that direction.

notch656c 4y ago
These drugs have been illegal for a lifetime. It's hard to get people to accept even overwhelmingly beneficial technology into the main fold of society. I'm not optimistic anything beyond weed is gonna get legalized federally in our lifetime.
- OkayPhysicist 4y ago
  As cannabis (and now psilocybin) have demonstrated, we don't really need federal legalization to make significant strides at the state level. If anything, it's a positive pushback against nearly a century of dramatic overreach by a federal government granted far too much power. At some point, the federal government will have to face the awkward situation that 100% of the desirable to live in states are in open contempt to federal law, and they have to play catch-up.
  - notch656c 4y ago
    Generically (not always true) red states have that for gun stuff (decriminalized unregistered / federally illegal NFA items) and blue states have that for pot and maybe even something else. It's hard for me to imagine the government will eventually catch up to freedom-leaning on either side, but I agree improvements at the state level is far better than nothing.

jobs_throwaway 4y ago

If you do the slightest bit of research into the criminalization of drugs in the US you will find that the people putting up those fences were laughably far from protectors of society. They were demonstrably more motivated by racism and classism than by a desire to safeguard social progress.

notch656c 4y ago
I think we're better off with a rich, mixed, and multicultural society but it may actually be true that a more homogenous society that tosses fringe races into the shredder or whatever is actually a safer place for the "right" people. Maybe they were protectors in their own racist way.
lurquer 4y ago
US laws are not the fence. Well-functioning societies have steered clear of intoxication. A A Clear-headed, rational, and objective view of reality is the goal. There’s nothing new about messing with your perception of reality. Wise men steer clear of it. Wise men counsel against intoxication of any kind. Fools don’t ask why.
- kbelder 4y ago
  Your comment is sensible and, apparently, roundly rejected.
- notch656c 4y ago
  Spending a tiny fraction of your life intoxicated allows you to make rational decisions despite occasional enjoying altered consciousness. There may be some level of brain damage but depending on the substance and how often it's used I question whether it's necessarily going to be the limiting factor in the aging body.
- andrew_ 4y ago
  There is much new speculation by historians and archeologists that psychedelics are widely responsible for giant leaps in civilization and "society." Your take is a puritanical, modern view without regard to history or nuance.