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Why not file a police report for the theft of 400k USD?

dylan604 4y ago
in what jurisdiction would you file that police report? if you are not in the same town as their offices, where are the local police going to go to "investigate"? this is clearly a matter across state lines, so it's an FBI issue. at least get your LEA correct when making non-sense posts like this. it's the least you could do. I don't even know if FBI is the correct agency either though, so there's that bit of info from some rando on the interwebs
- csmpltn 4y ago
  > "in what jurisdiction would you file that police report?" If I had to guess? File it in your state and it'll get routed from there. Or how about you literally ask the police this exact question? > "at least get your LEA correct when making non-sense posts like this" I think you're over complicating this, but you sound like you might know better so... The police is a sensible starting point, from which you as a citizen should get better guidance on next steps. There may be other mechanisms in the US government that are more appropriate here (ie. FBI, or FinCEN, IRS, etc).
  - dylan604 4y ago
    I think the point is that there is no indication of a crime. Your local police will just laugh. Maybe suggest you talk to a lawyer about possible law suits or maybe a complaint with your state's AG. However, you'll find in your ToS contract that they tell you they can/will suspend your account for suspicion of fraud or other activities. Just because they suck at explaining themselves is not a crime according to the law. Otherwise, so many companies would be breaking the law. It's so easy to react emotionally to things when they affect your livelihood, but rarely does that actually help the situation.
    - csmpltn 4y ago
      > "I think the point is that there is no indication of a crime." Inexplicably being denied access to your own funds without being told what's going on or when the issue will be resolved could be an indication of a crime. I'm not saying it is a clear indication, but I'm not denying the possibility either. There can be any number of hypothetical reasons for the situation being the way it is, and you can't exclude ones which are clearly criminal in nature (say somebody hacked their account and emptied it for funds). You should also draw parallels to other service providers (hospitals, universities, etc). > "It's so easy to react emotionally to things when they affect your livelihood" What other choice do you have in such a situation? This person exhausted every option they had, only to eventually get the help they needed by randomly reaching out to internet strangers. If it wasn't for this, who knows how long they would remain locked out of their account without any visibility into what's going on? Meanwhile, their business would be hurting, creating a cascading effect. Filing a police report in such a situation isn't "reacting emotionally".
      - dylan604 4y ago
        Calling the police is totally an emotional response. You made a business contract with a company. In that contract, they stipulate that under certain circumstances they will hold your money. What is a problem is the company is completely full of shit in how they handle these situations. They are "protecting themselves" from your account potentially being some sort of fraud. This is all automated with zero to little human involvement which creates potential for lots of false positives. During these cases, the company is 100% at fault for being cheap ass bastards that show zero sympathy towards users. This is not something for local police to be involved. The disconnect seems to be emotional vs logical.
        csmpltn 4y ago
        > "Calling the police is totally an emotional response." We're going around in circles, but all I'll say is that you could say that about anything. And yet people sometimes end up in prison for stealing candy. If people won't file reports - all deterrence is lost, and there won't be any incentive for the other side to change. If the mechanism exists, why not use it?
yamtaddle 4y ago
I've seen local law enforcement not bother to investigate high-five- to low-six-figures of thefts from break-ins at multiple offices over a couple-week span by a single crew whose van was caught on camera complete with license plates at more than one of the offices. The cops didn't care. This was not in one of the cities that allegedly isn't prosecuting crimes anymore, and was before any of that or the defund movement or what have you, and I'm in a red state. I suspect the people who complain about that stuff as if it's new and caused by recent action have just never interacted with the police before—I have plenty of other examples of their not caring to do any amount of investigation of crimes against individuals, too, no matter what evidence is already at hand, going back decades. And zero examples of their actually investigating anything. This kind of nuisance report you're suggesting wouldn't go anywhere.
- SpelingBeeChamp 4y ago
  > I've seen local law enforcement not bother to investigate high-five- to low-six-figures of thefts from break-ins at multiple offices over a couple-week span by a single crew whose van was caught on camera complete with license plates at more than one of the offices. The cops didn't care. I am a reporter and I cover law enforcement & crime. Are you willing to provide more information about this?
- csmpltn 4y ago
  I'm genuinely wondering why this isn't something one can do in a situation like this... Filing a report when your money is stolen from you is a very logical step to take. Whether or not the police will "deal with it" is an entirely different manner. Some cases get dropped, and others take years to handle - but what are your other options? To go around writing sob stories on random internet blogs? To beg for the attention of strangers online? Having a formal police report filed documenting a clear timeline of what happened from your point of view, is about exercising your civil rights to protect your property. It's also useful for insurance purposes, for example.
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    If you're dealing with a financial institution, odds are they're covered in these cases by anti-fraud laws or provisions in your contract/service-agreement anyway. I expect the cops would roll their eyes and tell you to go away unless you want to risk a false-report charge. They probably see a lot of people trying to file reports against institutions for often-bad reasons and don't have much patience for it. On top of that, they usually don't give a shit even when it's a genuine complaint—the only reason to even go to them is to get (heh, around here, purchase, even) a police report for insurance, if that applies.

in what jurisdiction would you file that police report? if you are not in the same town as their offices, where are the local police going to go to "investigate"? this is clearly a matter across state lines, so it's an FBI issue. at least get your LEA correct when making non-sense posts like this. it's the least you could do. I don't even know if FBI is the correct agency either though, so there's that bit of info from some rando on the interwebs

csmpltn 4y ago
> "in what jurisdiction would you file that police report?" If I had to guess? File it in your state and it'll get routed from there. Or how about you literally ask the police this exact question? > "at least get your LEA correct when making non-sense posts like this" I think you're over complicating this, but you sound like you might know better so... The police is a sensible starting point, from which you as a citizen should get better guidance on next steps. There may be other mechanisms in the US government that are more appropriate here (ie. FBI, or FinCEN, IRS, etc).
- dylan604 4y ago
  I think the point is that there is no indication of a crime. Your local police will just laugh. Maybe suggest you talk to a lawyer about possible law suits or maybe a complaint with your state's AG. However, you'll find in your ToS contract that they tell you they can/will suspend your account for suspicion of fraud or other activities. Just because they suck at explaining themselves is not a crime according to the law. Otherwise, so many companies would be breaking the law. It's so easy to react emotionally to things when they affect your livelihood, but rarely does that actually help the situation.
  - csmpltn 4y ago
    > "I think the point is that there is no indication of a crime." Inexplicably being denied access to your own funds without being told what's going on or when the issue will be resolved could be an indication of a crime. I'm not saying it is a clear indication, but I'm not denying the possibility either. There can be any number of hypothetical reasons for the situation being the way it is, and you can't exclude ones which are clearly criminal in nature (say somebody hacked their account and emptied it for funds). You should also draw parallels to other service providers (hospitals, universities, etc). > "It's so easy to react emotionally to things when they affect your livelihood" What other choice do you have in such a situation? This person exhausted every option they had, only to eventually get the help they needed by randomly reaching out to internet strangers. If it wasn't for this, who knows how long they would remain locked out of their account without any visibility into what's going on? Meanwhile, their business would be hurting, creating a cascading effect. Filing a police report in such a situation isn't "reacting emotionally".
    - dylan604 4y ago
      Calling the police is totally an emotional response. You made a business contract with a company. In that contract, they stipulate that under certain circumstances they will hold your money. What is a problem is the company is completely full of shit in how they handle these situations. They are "protecting themselves" from your account potentially being some sort of fraud. This is all automated with zero to little human involvement which creates potential for lots of false positives. During these cases, the company is 100% at fault for being cheap ass bastards that show zero sympathy towards users. This is not something for local police to be involved. The disconnect seems to be emotional vs logical.
      - csmpltn 4y ago
        > "Calling the police is totally an emotional response." We're going around in circles, but all I'll say is that you could say that about anything. And yet people sometimes end up in prison for stealing candy. If people won't file reports - all deterrence is lost, and there won't be any incentive for the other side to change. If the mechanism exists, why not use it?

yamtaddle 4y ago

I've seen local law enforcement not bother to investigate high-five- to low-six-figures of thefts from break-ins at multiple offices over a couple-week span by a single crew whose van was caught on camera complete with license plates at more than one of the offices. The cops didn't care. This was not in one of the cities that allegedly isn't prosecuting crimes anymore, and was before any of that or the defund movement or what have you, and I'm in a red state. I suspect the people who complain about that stuff as if it's new and caused by recent action have just never interacted with the police before—I have plenty of other examples of their not caring to do any amount of investigation of crimes against individuals, too, no matter what evidence is already at hand, going back decades. And zero examples of their actually investigating anything. This kind of nuisance report you're suggesting wouldn't go anywhere.

SpelingBeeChamp 4y ago
> I've seen local law enforcement not bother to investigate high-five- to low-six-figures of thefts from break-ins at multiple offices over a couple-week span by a single crew whose van was caught on camera complete with license plates at more than one of the offices. The cops didn't care. I am a reporter and I cover law enforcement & crime. Are you willing to provide more information about this?
csmpltn 4y ago
I'm genuinely wondering why this isn't something one can do in a situation like this... Filing a report when your money is stolen from you is a very logical step to take. Whether or not the police will "deal with it" is an entirely different manner. Some cases get dropped, and others take years to handle - but what are your other options? To go around writing sob stories on random internet blogs? To beg for the attention of strangers online? Having a formal police report filed documenting a clear timeline of what happened from your point of view, is about exercising your civil rights to protect your property. It's also useful for insurance purposes, for example.
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  If you're dealing with a financial institution, odds are they're covered in these cases by anti-fraud laws or provisions in your contract/service-agreement anyway. I expect the cops would roll their eyes and tell you to go away unless you want to risk a false-report charge. They probably see a lot of people trying to file reports against institutions for often-bad reasons and don't have much patience for it. On top of that, they usually don't give a shit even when it's a genuine complaint—the only reason to even go to them is to get (heh, around here, purchase, even) a police report for insurance, if that applies.