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> I'd also add: a lot of this societal pressure against men being accepted as stay at home parents comes from men. Maybe men are just more vocal about their op

> I'd also add: a lot of this societal pressure against men being accepted as stay at home parents comes from men. Maybe men are just more vocal about their opinions regarding stay-at-home dads? Women may not exert "societal pressure" against stay-at-home men, but they're ~30% more likely to divorce them than working men (a 3.3% chance of divorce in a given year vs. 2.5%)[0]. > For marriages formed after 1975, husbands’ lack of full-time employment is associated with higher risk of divorce, but neither wives’ full-time employment nor wives’ share of household labor is associated with divorce risk. Expectations of wives’ homemaking may have eroded, but the husband breadwinner norm persists. [0] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0003122416655340 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0003122416655340

triceratops 4y ago
An unemployed (not by choice), frustrated guy can't be fun to be married to. I could see it causing problems in the relationship. Lo and behold, in the paper they say this too: "It is possible that husbands’ less than full-time employment is associated with marital disruption more strongly than wives’, not because of gendered interpretations of lack of full-time employment, but because husbands’ part-time employment or nonemployment is more likely to be involuntary. Involuntary nonemployment may negatively affect marriages more strongly than voluntary nonemployment, by affecting outcomes like partners’ mental health. It is not possible to evaluate this perspective with the current data, because voluntary specialization by men in unpaid labor is rare: in 2012, only about one-fifth of stay-at-home fathers were home primarily to care for the family (Livingston 2014). Future research is needed to explore the experiences of deliberately nontraditional households, although their rarity illustrates the consistency of the male-breadwinner norm."
sharkjacobs 4y ago
> Women may not exert "societal pressure" against stay-at-home men I'm not sure that the study supports this. I think that the terms "stay at home dad" and "stay at home man" implies a male spouse who stays at home to do unpaid housework or child rearing instead of working a full time job. The study seems to say that, for men, being unemployed is positively correlated with divorce risk, but that doing a larger share of household labor is not. Not all unemployed men are "stay at home" men.

triceratops 4y ago

An unemployed (not by choice), frustrated guy can't be fun to be married to. I could see it causing problems in the relationship. Lo and behold, in the paper they say this too: "It is possible that husbands’ less than full-time employment is associated with marital disruption more strongly than wives’, not because of gendered interpretations of lack of full-time employment, but because husbands’ part-time employment or nonemployment is more likely to be involuntary. Involuntary nonemployment may negatively affect marriages more strongly than voluntary nonemployment, by affecting outcomes like partners’ mental health. It is not possible to evaluate this perspective with the current data, because voluntary specialization by men in unpaid labor is rare: in 2012, only about one-fifth of stay-at-home fathers were home primarily to care for the family (Livingston 2014). Future research is needed to explore the experiences of deliberately nontraditional households, although their rarity illustrates the consistency of the male-breadwinner norm."

sharkjacobs 4y ago

> Women may not exert "societal pressure" against stay-at-home men I'm not sure that the study supports this. I think that the terms "stay at home dad" and "stay at home man" implies a male spouse who stays at home to do unpaid housework or child rearing instead of working a full time job. The study seems to say that, for men, being unemployed is positively correlated with divorce risk, but that doing a larger share of household labor is not. Not all unemployed men are "stay at home" men.