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In my experience, what you're saying is complete nonsense. Feminists spend much more time lying about men's issues than they do attempting to meaningfully recti

In my experience, what you're saying is complete nonsense. Feminists spend much more time lying about men's issues than they do attempting to meaningfully rectify them. Even a simple statement like "boys are falling behind in education" can get you implicated as a misogynist. Here's a lovely pull-quote from a recent report, The State of UK Boys: > There's often an underlying assumption that boys should be attaining higher than girls, and if girls attain higher, then that's a problem. - Louise Archer I could give examples on a range of issues: from suicide, discrimination in the court system, domestic violence/sexual assault. There's a set of knee-jerk responses (e.g. men only commit suicide more due to firearms/violence) that simply aren't true (men also die more from intentional overdoses). For each and every thing MRAs complain about, there's a knee-jerk, half-baked, feminist reaction.

afavour 4y ago
> Feminists spend much more time lying about men's issues Not sure if there’s a name for this fallacy but you see it all the time: attributing the opinions/actions of an extreme minority to a whole group. No denying there are some feminists about there spending all their time lying about men’s issues but feminists as a whole don’t. Same applies almost every time someone says “leftists”, “the right wing” etc etc etc
- gjsman-1000 4y ago
  What do you call the fallacy, which I have seen increasingly online, where someone defines something as being an "extreme minority" when it actually isn't, and then claims the other person committed a fallacy because of that?
  - commandlinefan 4y ago
    OP appears to be committing the "motte and bailey" (fallacy?) himself.
- ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 4y ago
  To be clear, you believe the Global Boyhood Initiative, who published that report, are an extreme minority, and are accusing me of a fallacy because of that? Fascinating. This is exactly the sort of half-baked lie I was talking about. Edit: At some point, rubber has to meet road. Either you accept that boys falling behind in education is an issue, or you don't. If you don't accept it as an issue, then you cannot simultaneously claim to be the ones solving it. Some of those solutions are not easy. It's been known for decades that boys get lower grades in school, and not always for the quality of their work. In the UK we saw girls suddenly shoot past boys in maths results when exams were cancelled for COVID and teacher-assessed grades were given instead. What's the feminist solution for that?
  - afavour 4y ago
    You added that after I replied. To be honest your entire tone here is an example of really unproductive online conversation, I don't have any interest in participating in it (this whole thread is dead because the "purple haired feminist" parent comment was flagged anyway)
    - ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 4y ago
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      - woodruffw 4y ago
        It’s not appropriate or kind to expect people to read your mind on an online forum.
        ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 4y ago
        I didn't. I gave a concrete example of the phenomenon I was already talking about. If he wants to give concrete examples of what he's talking about, he's more than welcome to do the same, but he can't, because it's a lie. The conversation would have ended up the same way had I seen his reply before editing the example in - I'd just have given it afterwards, and he'd still have no answer.

afavour 4y ago

> Feminists spend much more time lying about men's issues Not sure if there’s a name for this fallacy but you see it all the time: attributing the opinions/actions of an extreme minority to a whole group. No denying there are some feminists about there spending all their time lying about men’s issues but feminists as a whole don’t. Same applies almost every time someone says “leftists”, “the right wing” etc etc etc

gjsman-1000 4y ago
What do you call the fallacy, which I have seen increasingly online, where someone defines something as being an "extreme minority" when it actually isn't, and then claims the other person committed a fallacy because of that?
- commandlinefan 4y ago
  OP appears to be committing the "motte and bailey" (fallacy?) himself.
ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 4y ago
To be clear, you believe the Global Boyhood Initiative, who published that report, are an extreme minority, and are accusing me of a fallacy because of that? Fascinating. This is exactly the sort of half-baked lie I was talking about. Edit: At some point, rubber has to meet road. Either you accept that boys falling behind in education is an issue, or you don't. If you don't accept it as an issue, then you cannot simultaneously claim to be the ones solving it. Some of those solutions are not easy. It's been known for decades that boys get lower grades in school, and not always for the quality of their work. In the UK we saw girls suddenly shoot past boys in maths results when exams were cancelled for COVID and teacher-assessed grades were given instead. What's the feminist solution for that?
- afavour 4y ago
  You added that after I replied. To be honest your entire tone here is an example of really unproductive online conversation, I don't have any interest in participating in it (this whole thread is dead because the "purple haired feminist" parent comment was flagged anyway)
  - ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - woodruffw 4y ago
      It’s not appropriate or kind to expect people to read your mind on an online forum.
      - ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 4y ago
        I didn't. I gave a concrete example of the phenomenon I was already talking about. If he wants to give concrete examples of what he's talking about, he's more than welcome to do the same, but he can't, because it's a lie. The conversation would have ended up the same way had I seen his reply before editing the example in - I'd just have given it afterwards, and he'd still have no answer.