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Not really the case with air defense, where Germany was first in sending modern anti-air facilities (Iris-T SLM directly from the manufacturer.. not even German

Not really the case with air defense, where Germany was first in sending modern anti-air facilities (Iris-T SLM directly from the manufacturer.. not even Germany themselves were using it yet). Dont forget about the Gepard flak tanks either. And for the offensive weaponry there is significant coordination among the Western parterns with many supplying equivalent weaponry at the same time (Germany supplied MARS II, which shoots the same rockets as HIMARS; as well as several PzH2000). Add on the the time needed for actually training the people..

mannerheim 4y ago
I heard for weeks from German apologists about how the Polish suggestion to send the Patriots Germany offered to Ukraine instead was just a publicity stunt because such an action would require US approval which would never happen. Then America pledged to send them outright to Ukraine. Whoops!
- welterde 4y ago
  That we cannot know. But what we do know is that Germany pledged delivery of the Iris-T anti-air system (which btw is among the newest systems on the market) back in May and it being delivered in October of last year. But given that and that Poland initially agreed to the delivery and only afterwards started changing their tune, I don't think the PR angle is that far-fetched?
  - H8crilA 4y ago
    The Patriots are seriously needed, that's a fact, because next to no one can supply ammunition for the Ukrainian S-300. Debating the Polish motivation is a waste of time IMHO. One thing I'd add is that Patriot != Patriot, this is a common name for essentially completely different weapon systems (air defense systems, but from different eras). Same as the S-300. So it could be that US is supplying some really old Patriots that would still work fine for taking down Kh-55 and Kalibr missiles. I don't think we know what exact Patriot battery configuration Ukraine will receive.

mannerheim 4y ago

I heard for weeks from German apologists about how the Polish suggestion to send the Patriots Germany offered to Ukraine instead was just a publicity stunt because such an action would require US approval which would never happen. Then America pledged to send them outright to Ukraine. Whoops!

welterde 4y ago
That we cannot know. But what we do know is that Germany pledged delivery of the Iris-T anti-air system (which btw is among the newest systems on the market) back in May and it being delivered in October of last year. But given that and that Poland initially agreed to the delivery and only afterwards started changing their tune, I don't think the PR angle is that far-fetched?
- H8crilA 4y ago
  The Patriots are seriously needed, that's a fact, because next to no one can supply ammunition for the Ukrainian S-300. Debating the Polish motivation is a waste of time IMHO. One thing I'd add is that Patriot != Patriot, this is a common name for essentially completely different weapon systems (air defense systems, but from different eras). Same as the S-300. So it could be that US is supplying some really old Patriots that would still work fine for taking down Kh-55 and Kalibr missiles. I don't think we know what exact Patriot battery configuration Ukraine will receive.