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Sweet, rather than doing it at home exclusively with people you trust, some fucking stranger in a facility can watch you at your vulnerable moments and you get

Sweet, rather than doing it at home exclusively with people you trust, some fucking stranger in a facility can watch you at your vulnerable moments and you get to pray they don't take advantage of it.

neon_electro 4y ago
Do you feel this way about bartenders?
- notch656c 4y ago
  At sober to moderately buzzed no, anything more yes.
- pelasaco 4y ago
  are they serving hallucinogenics? Do you trip on bud light?
  - lvh 4y ago
    No, but the problem was praying state-licensed practitioners don't take advantage of you in an incapacitated state. You might not be hallucinating, but surely there's an amount of alcohol where you're just as helpless if not more than a shroom dose.
  - stuntkite 4y ago
    The hallucinogenic (not psychedelic) effects of bud light shouldn’t be minimized. It takes a lot more work to achieve and is pretty miserable, like 30 a night for a year, but for sure booze can make you hallucinate. It’s generally considered to be whatever the opposite of therapeutic would be.
  - eastof 4y ago
    My personal experience is heightened awareness and even increased physical strength on mushrooms. Alcohol gets me dizzy, confused, and dumb. So comparatively, I'd be more concerned about someone taking advantage of me drunk than tripping.
lvh 4y ago
I mean, I think psilocybes (and LSD!) should be fully deregulated, sure :) However: (1) If you trust your illicit psilocybin sources, OR already decriminalizes personal use drugs (Measure 110), so, if this isn't your cup of (psilocybin) tea, there's nothing stopping you from doing precisely what you propose. (2) If you have a trip sitter you trust and is willing to sit with you, there's nothing stopping you from bringing them to said center. Ostensibly having someone experienced around can't hurt, and is pretty likely better than what most people are getting most of the time. Surely we can agree that it's reasonable that some people would get more out of a trip if they have professional guidance, and it's not just a safety ("is this person going to rob me/assault me") issue? Perhaps a problem is one of assumptions: I think this is set up to allow recreational use but encourage therapeutic use, coupled with the idea that therapeutic use is aided (made possible?) by the presence of trained staff.
say_it_as_it_is 4y ago
Like how Dr. Hannibal Lecter convinced Mason Verger to cut off his own face while on hallucinogens? Yes, there is nothing stopping a psychopath, cannibal therapist from setting up shop and doing this with a deeply troubled patient. It will be a short-lived career, though.
- cnelsenmilt 4y ago
  You...understand that was a fictional event, right? In fact it was specifically conceived by its author to be shocking, horrifying and extraordinary.
  - say_it_as_it_is 4y ago
    It never occurred to me that this was fiction, so thank you for helping me finally realize that.

neon_electro 4y ago

Do you feel this way about bartenders?

notch656c 4y ago
At sober to moderately buzzed no, anything more yes.
pelasaco 4y ago
are they serving hallucinogenics? Do you trip on bud light?
- lvh 4y ago
  No, but the problem was praying state-licensed practitioners don't take advantage of you in an incapacitated state. You might not be hallucinating, but surely there's an amount of alcohol where you're just as helpless if not more than a shroom dose.
- stuntkite 4y ago
  The hallucinogenic (not psychedelic) effects of bud light shouldn’t be minimized. It takes a lot more work to achieve and is pretty miserable, like 30 a night for a year, but for sure booze can make you hallucinate. It’s generally considered to be whatever the opposite of therapeutic would be.
- eastof 4y ago
  My personal experience is heightened awareness and even increased physical strength on mushrooms. Alcohol gets me dizzy, confused, and dumb. So comparatively, I'd be more concerned about someone taking advantage of me drunk than tripping.

lvh 4y ago

I mean, I think psilocybes (and LSD!) should be fully deregulated, sure :) However: (1) If you trust your illicit psilocybin sources, OR already decriminalizes personal use drugs (Measure 110), so, if this isn't your cup of (psilocybin) tea, there's nothing stopping you from doing precisely what you propose. (2) If you have a trip sitter you trust and is willing to sit with you, there's nothing stopping you from bringing them to said center. Ostensibly having someone experienced around can't hurt, and is pretty likely better than what most people are getting most of the time. Surely we can agree that it's reasonable that some people would get more out of a trip if they have professional guidance, and it's not just a safety ("is this person going to rob me/assault me") issue? Perhaps a problem is one of assumptions: I think this is set up to allow recreational use but encourage therapeutic use, coupled with the idea that therapeutic use is aided (made possible?) by the presence of trained staff.

say_it_as_it_is 4y ago

Like how Dr. Hannibal Lecter convinced Mason Verger to cut off his own face while on hallucinogens? Yes, there is nothing stopping a psychopath, cannibal therapist from setting up shop and doing this with a deeply troubled patient. It will be a short-lived career, though.

cnelsenmilt 4y ago
You...understand that was a fictional event, right? In fact it was specifically conceived by its author to be shocking, horrifying and extraordinary.
- say_it_as_it_is 4y ago
  It never occurred to me that this was fiction, so thank you for helping me finally realize that.