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One of the key problems with the progressive mindset is the assumption that laws will be followed and enforce effectively regardless of the policy.
by anon291 4y ago
One of the key problems with the progressive mindset is the assumption that laws will be followed and enforce effectively regardless of the policy.
- vidarh 4y agoI read the above as pointing out you won't be able to legally buy it the same way you can legally buy pot in Oregon to consume at home. I don't think anyone has suggested you won't (continue to) be able to buy it illegally.
- lvh 4y agoOK, so the law won't be followed. Are we under the impression there weren't any shrooms available in Portland illicitly?
- anon291 4y agoSure there are. The last thing we need is more demands for substances that inhibit rational thinking.
- spyda 4y agoSo-called conservative drug policy has been an abject failure. It walked us into an opioid addiction crisis that has cost taxpayers billions of dollars. Those laws are neither followed or enforced effectively. I'd rather have liberty than a failing drug policy.
- anon291 4y agoArguing that the enforcement is not effective is not the same thing as arguing it's bad policy. In particular, the data show that prohibition works in general, whether it be drugs or alcohol. There is no evidence to substantiate the belief that legalizing drugs will lead to lower rates of addiction. In particular, the so-called Portuguese model advocates in Oregon ignore the fact that Portugal has way more drug enforcement with its system than Oregon has.
- aqme28 4y ago> the data show that prohibition works in general, whether it be drugs or alcohol. This is interesting. I've only seen data that says the exact opposite of this. Can you cite anything?
- anon291 4y agoCirrhosis and alcohol deaths and domestic violence decreased drastically during prohibition. Prohibition is the best example of a full scale nationwide 'war' on a drug, IMO. The data on alcohol prohibition are extremely clear... wars on drugs work. No they don't eliminate consumption or erase all problems... nothing can do that. However, they lead to fewer consumers; and thus fewer problems due to consumption. EDIT: Source (and good reading): https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/6/5/18518005/prohibition-alcohol-public-health-crime-benefits https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/6/5/18518005/prohibit... > Prohibition meant to address these problems by reducing drinking. On that metric alone, it succeeded. > > This is not controversial among experts. When I asked Courtwright, a drug historian at the University of North Florida, whether Prohibition led to more drinking, he responded, “No well-informed historian has believed that for 50 years.” Did prohibition have problems? yes. But the problem was not that people consumed more. That is a common misconception.
- aqme28 4y agoThat's very much not true. The main progressive argument against strict prohibitions is that people are going to use drugs/alcohol regardless of the law, and so a prohibition will create a black market with organized crime and dangerous conditions for users.