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This is history in the making. Huge props to Oregon legislators for spearheading the change. Soon we’ll see official psychedelic therapy centers operating in th

This is history in the making. Huge props to Oregon legislators for spearheading the change. Soon we’ll see official psychedelic therapy centers operating in the open and this is hands down one of the best things for the society.

pelasaco 4y ago
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- anotheraccount9 4y ago
  There is magic mushroom cheese, you know.
  - pelasaco 4y ago
    got flagged and down voted like crazy here... apparently HN is full on mushroom.
- lost_tourist 4y ago
  I think it will. I highly doubt we find that psychedelics are the cure all for mental conditions that its proponents claim.
  - brutusborn 4y ago
    Do you doubt the validity of current research? Every time I look at MAPS research it becomes clearer that psychedelics have very high efficacy for some issues. I’d be interested to hear why this hasn’t convinced you.
    - pelasaco 4y ago
      I do doubt the validity of the current research. I doubt that such things are what are going to save America, in the opposite. We will have more and more crazy people on the streets. A dying civilization, live on CNN.
      - brutusborn 4y ago
        Why the doubt? For example based on the latest studies, Psilocybin for PTSD should held reduce “crazy people on the streets.” I don’t think drugs will “save America” either, but I think they can help some Americans suffer less.
        pelasaco 4y ago
        > Why the doubt? Because their are biased. They are normally people that started using recreational drugs and decided to study it. So for sure they will always just find positive aspects, without for example considering all the other possible negative social aspects. i.e from their about page (https://maps.org/about-maps/ https://maps.org/about-maps/): "Our founder, Rick Doblin, Ph.D., has his first experience with LSD, giving him a glimpse of the profound connection between heart and mind made possible by psychedelics. From that moment on, Rick dedicated his life to becoming a legal psychedelic therapist, envisioning a healthier, more sustainable and loving world." Then you can check the team https://maps.org/about-maps/our-team/ https://maps.org/about-maps/our-team/ and you will see, there are more business people than researcher in the team.. Money is their goal, not research.
        brutusborn 4y ago
        What kind of social aspects could they be missing? I would hope their methodology would include checking on patients post-treatment to see how their relationships etc. were going but I must admit I haven’t read one of their papers in a while.
  - pelasaco 4y ago
    > I think it will. Me too. It was just a rhetoric question. I saved this thread for revisit later pinging the CEO @ http://peerboard.com http://peerboard.com about it ;)
- theodric 4y ago
  With the right controls applied, aged milk is quite a good thing. Same goes for drugs-- crude and refined alike.
code_runner 4y ago
“One of the best things for society” is a very very bold claim. For the uninformed like myself how would psychedelic therapy be THIS beneficial?
- chaps 4y ago
  Just one example: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/mental-health/psilocybin-mushroom-help-people-alcohol-use-disorder-rcna44180 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/mental-health/psilocybin-mush... "More than 80% of those who were given the psychedelic treatment had drastically reduced their drinking eight months after the study started, compared to just over 50% in the antihistamine control group, according to results published Wednesday in JAMA Psychiatry. At the end of the trial, half of those who received psilocybin had quit drinking altogether, compared to about one-quarter of those who were given the antihistamine."
  - gausswho 4y ago
    that the placebo led to abstinence in 25% of cases makes me concerned about a selection bias in the pool
    - SeanAnderson 4y ago
      What % would you expect to be affected by the placebo?
      - chairmanwow1 4y ago
        I think most adults are in a steady state for their habitual behaviors around diet / exercise / drinking / drugs. Would be surprised by anything larger than 10% change in control tbh
        TylerE 4y ago
        FTA: "helped people with alcohol use disorder reduce drinking for at least eight months after their first treatments, results from the largest clinical trial of its kind show." This isn't a genpop study.
cronix 4y ago
This was an initiative petition referendum, nothing to do with legislators. Any citizen can make a bill and if they gather enough verified signatures from registered voters, it will be voted on by the people during a regular election. Oregon decriminalized personal amounts of all hard drugs with that ballot measure in 2020, not just psychedelics.
- davidw 4y ago
  They were actually different measures: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Oregon_Ballot_Measure_109 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Oregon_Ballot_Measure_109 https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_110,_Drug_Decriminalization_and_Addiction_Treatment_Initiative_(2020) https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_110,_Drug_Decriminali... Source: voted for both of them. 110 probably needs some tweaking (hah hah) and/or better implementation, but I still think the basic idea is a good one.
adamredwoods 4y ago
I'd rather see progress made on helping decrease fentanyl overdoses first.
- jobs_throwaway 4y ago
  are you aware that we can make progress on multiple things at once?
briffle 4y ago
The Oregon Legislators did very little for this. This was a state Ballot Measure spearheded by several groups gathering signatures. One of the more prominent groups was a bunch of veterans who had used it to treat their PTSD.

pelasaco 4y ago

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anotheraccount9 4y ago
There is magic mushroom cheese, you know.
- pelasaco 4y ago
  got flagged and down voted like crazy here... apparently HN is full on mushroom.
lost_tourist 4y ago
I think it will. I highly doubt we find that psychedelics are the cure all for mental conditions that its proponents claim.
- brutusborn 4y ago
  Do you doubt the validity of current research? Every time I look at MAPS research it becomes clearer that psychedelics have very high efficacy for some issues. I’d be interested to hear why this hasn’t convinced you.
  - pelasaco 4y ago
    I do doubt the validity of the current research. I doubt that such things are what are going to save America, in the opposite. We will have more and more crazy people on the streets. A dying civilization, live on CNN.
    - brutusborn 4y ago
      Why the doubt? For example based on the latest studies, Psilocybin for PTSD should held reduce “crazy people on the streets.” I don’t think drugs will “save America” either, but I think they can help some Americans suffer less.
      - pelasaco 4y ago
        > Why the doubt? Because their are biased. They are normally people that started using recreational drugs and decided to study it. So for sure they will always just find positive aspects, without for example considering all the other possible negative social aspects. i.e from their about page (https://maps.org/about-maps/ https://maps.org/about-maps/): "Our founder, Rick Doblin, Ph.D., has his first experience with LSD, giving him a glimpse of the profound connection between heart and mind made possible by psychedelics. From that moment on, Rick dedicated his life to becoming a legal psychedelic therapist, envisioning a healthier, more sustainable and loving world." Then you can check the team https://maps.org/about-maps/our-team/ https://maps.org/about-maps/our-team/ and you will see, there are more business people than researcher in the team.. Money is their goal, not research.
        brutusborn 4y ago
        What kind of social aspects could they be missing? I would hope their methodology would include checking on patients post-treatment to see how their relationships etc. were going but I must admit I haven’t read one of their papers in a while.
- pelasaco 4y ago
  > I think it will. Me too. It was just a rhetoric question. I saved this thread for revisit later pinging the CEO @ http://peerboard.com http://peerboard.com about it ;)
theodric 4y ago
With the right controls applied, aged milk is quite a good thing. Same goes for drugs-- crude and refined alike.

code_runner 4y ago

“One of the best things for society” is a very very bold claim. For the uninformed like myself how would psychedelic therapy be THIS beneficial?

chaps 4y ago
Just one example: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/mental-health/psilocybin-mushroom-help-people-alcohol-use-disorder-rcna44180 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/mental-health/psilocybin-mush... "More than 80% of those who were given the psychedelic treatment had drastically reduced their drinking eight months after the study started, compared to just over 50% in the antihistamine control group, according to results published Wednesday in JAMA Psychiatry. At the end of the trial, half of those who received psilocybin had quit drinking altogether, compared to about one-quarter of those who were given the antihistamine."
- gausswho 4y ago
  that the placebo led to abstinence in 25% of cases makes me concerned about a selection bias in the pool
  - SeanAnderson 4y ago
    What % would you expect to be affected by the placebo?
    - chairmanwow1 4y ago
      I think most adults are in a steady state for their habitual behaviors around diet / exercise / drinking / drugs. Would be surprised by anything larger than 10% change in control tbh
      - TylerE 4y ago
        FTA: "helped people with alcohol use disorder reduce drinking for at least eight months after their first treatments, results from the largest clinical trial of its kind show." This isn't a genpop study.

cronix 4y ago

This was an initiative petition referendum, nothing to do with legislators. Any citizen can make a bill and if they gather enough verified signatures from registered voters, it will be voted on by the people during a regular election. Oregon decriminalized personal amounts of all hard drugs with that ballot measure in 2020, not just psychedelics.

davidw 4y ago
They were actually different measures: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Oregon_Ballot_Measure_109 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Oregon_Ballot_Measure_109 https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_110,_Drug_Decriminalization_and_Addiction_Treatment_Initiative_(2020) https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_110,_Drug_Decriminali... Source: voted for both of them. 110 probably needs some tweaking (hah hah) and/or better implementation, but I still think the basic idea is a good one.

adamredwoods 4y ago

I'd rather see progress made on helping decrease fentanyl overdoses first.

jobs_throwaway 4y ago
are you aware that we can make progress on multiple things at once?

briffle 4y ago

The Oregon Legislators did very little for this. This was a state Ballot Measure spearheded by several groups gathering signatures. One of the more prominent groups was a bunch of veterans who had used it to treat their PTSD.