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As a layman, possibly under the distant influence of Jordan Peterson, I thought "disagreeable" meant strong-willed, principled, uncompromising (on what one cons

As a layman, possibly under the distant influence of Jordan Peterson, I thought "disagreeable" meant strong-willed, principled, uncompromising (on what one considers important), direct, etc., i.e. what the article probably designates as "combative"; and was surprised to see "selfish", "manipulative", and "deceitful" also lumped into this category. These seem to be so different personality traits...

jansan 4y ago
Their definition of disagreeable meaning "behaving in aggressive, selfish, and manipulative ways" also surprised me.
pastacacioepepe 4y ago
I guess Jordan Peterson, which I consider a master of nonsense, has to go through the dictionary again. The Oxford Languages definition of disagreeable is: - upleasant or unenjoyable - unfriendly and bad tempered At least the first definition fits well with Jordan I believe. Maybe this is his guilty conscience trying to give meaning to the fact that he is fundamentally disagreeable?
- bt4u 4y ago
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- azangru 4y ago
  > The Oxford Languages definition of disagreeable is: General-purpose Oxford dictionaries are not the appropriate reference for a term from clinical psychology. Jordan uses the term "agreeableness", and, as its derivatives, adjectives "agreeable" and "disagreeable". If you consult psychology texts, e.g. Handbook of Personality Psychology [0], you will notice that what has been understood by it has varied: some interpreted it as conformity or compliance (which is more in line with the impression I got from Peterson), whereas others interpreted it as likeability or pleasantness, which is more in line with the title of the paper. [0] - Its chapter on agreeableness is, luckily, available online at http://cachescan.bcub.ro/e-book/E1/580591/795-870.pdf http://cachescan.bcub.ro/e-book/E1/580591/795-870.pdf
- kyle_martin1 4y ago
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solumunus 4y ago
> possibly under the distant influence of Jordan Peterson Here's where you're going wrong.
- azangru 4y ago
  He taught clinical psychology at a university; whatever his shortcomings, he should have a grasp on the fundamentals.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
  Odd question. Why is this person creating such a strong reaction in some? Unless I am mistaking him for someone else, he struck me as an educated version Joel Osteen ( with oddly similar outlook on life ). I watched some of his videos and found little beyond somewhat generic 'good things come if you work for them' prosperity gospel equivalent.
brushfoot 4y ago
In personality psychology, factors like agreeableness are umbrellas over often very different subfactors called facets. Facets of agreeableness include altruism and compliance, which are two very different things. Someone may be altruistic while also breaking the rules. Someone else may be compliant but stingy. But both could score high in agreeableness.

jansan 4y ago

Their definition of disagreeable meaning "behaving in aggressive, selfish, and manipulative ways" also surprised me.

pastacacioepepe 4y ago

I guess Jordan Peterson, which I consider a master of nonsense, has to go through the dictionary again. The Oxford Languages definition of disagreeable is: - upleasant or unenjoyable - unfriendly and bad tempered At least the first definition fits well with Jordan I believe. Maybe this is his guilty conscience trying to give meaning to the fact that he is fundamentally disagreeable?

bt4u 4y ago
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azangru 4y ago
> The Oxford Languages definition of disagreeable is: General-purpose Oxford dictionaries are not the appropriate reference for a term from clinical psychology. Jordan uses the term "agreeableness", and, as its derivatives, adjectives "agreeable" and "disagreeable". If you consult psychology texts, e.g. Handbook of Personality Psychology [0], you will notice that what has been understood by it has varied: some interpreted it as conformity or compliance (which is more in line with the impression I got from Peterson), whereas others interpreted it as likeability or pleasantness, which is more in line with the title of the paper. [0] - Its chapter on agreeableness is, luckily, available online at http://cachescan.bcub.ro/e-book/E1/580591/795-870.pdf http://cachescan.bcub.ro/e-book/E1/580591/795-870.pdf
kyle_martin1 4y ago
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solumunus 4y ago

> possibly under the distant influence of Jordan Peterson Here's where you're going wrong.

azangru 4y ago
He taught clinical psychology at a university; whatever his shortcomings, he should have a grasp on the fundamentals.
A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
Odd question. Why is this person creating such a strong reaction in some? Unless I am mistaking him for someone else, he struck me as an educated version Joel Osteen ( with oddly similar outlook on life ). I watched some of his videos and found little beyond somewhat generic 'good things come if you work for them' prosperity gospel equivalent.

brushfoot 4y ago

In personality psychology, factors like agreeableness are umbrellas over often very different subfactors called facets. Facets of agreeableness include altruism and compliance, which are two very different things. Someone may be altruistic while also breaking the rules. Someone else may be compliant but stingy. But both could score high in agreeableness.