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"being disagreeable-that is, behaving in aggressive, selfish, and manipulative ways" - am I the only one finding this definition incorrect? I think a disagreeab

"being disagreeable-that is, behaving in aggressive, selfish, and manipulative ways" - am I the only one finding this definition incorrect? I think a disagreeable person is one not willing to accept an opinion they find incorrect. None of the attributes they listed seem relevant :) Or maybe I'm just being disagreeable

twelve40 4y ago
I think aggressive or maybe excessive is a part of that. When you're not willing to accept an opinion and just give up, it's one thing. If you put up a huge fight every single time, it's more of a problem.
- mannykannot 4y ago
  I agree - this is how it is generally used, and usage determines the meaning of words. You cannot, in general, deduce the precise meaning of words from first principles or the dictionary definitions of related words. 'Opinionated' is a related word which does not mean exactly what it might seem from 'opinion'. In academia, there is plenty of disagreement, mostly handled without being disagreeable.
enkid 4y ago
Agreeable/disagreeableness is a term of art in psychology based on the "Big Five" personality traits.
brushfoot 4y ago
Agreeableness/disagreeableness have specific meanings in personality psychology. Agreeableness in the five-factor model (Big Five) doesn't necessarily mean being overly compliant; it can also mean being trustful or altruistic (trust and altruism being two facets of agreeableness). The study uses five-factor terminology with participants completing the Big Five Inventory (BFI) and some also completing the NEO-PI-R, so those are the definitions to keep in mind here.
- mjburgess 4y ago
  And according to their source on the term, https://personality-project.org/revelle/syllabi/classreadings/john.pdf https://personality-project.org/revelle/syllabi/classreading... , this isnt the definition. On page 113 we find the following most associated with low-aggreableness: > Fault-finding, cold, unfriendly, quarrelsome And with high-aggre, > Sympathetic, Kind, appreciative, affectionate Now I do not read either as having to do with the picture of "selfish, combative, and manipulative". I find the agreeable kind of manipulativeness, ie., the "Jerry-kind" (from Rick & Morty) just as egregious as the "Rick-kind". What might equally be said of this study is that "agreeable methods of manipulation" are as effective as "disagreeable ones" in aggregate.
  - b3morales 4y ago
    That is extremely interesting. I had no idea that the Big Five had been formulated based originally on linguistic analysis (specifically of English). It's a brilliant direction to research. But it also accounts for the pretty obvious bias in the terminology.
prettyStandard 4y ago
"How quickly you are to agree or disagree" has been my interpretation of the big five definition. You have to average it over self-assessments and also the assessment of all your friends, family, and coworkers.
Eumenes 4y ago
Agreed 100%

twelve40 4y ago

I think aggressive or maybe excessive is a part of that. When you're not willing to accept an opinion and just give up, it's one thing. If you put up a huge fight every single time, it's more of a problem.

mannykannot 4y ago
I agree - this is how it is generally used, and usage determines the meaning of words. You cannot, in general, deduce the precise meaning of words from first principles or the dictionary definitions of related words. 'Opinionated' is a related word which does not mean exactly what it might seem from 'opinion'. In academia, there is plenty of disagreement, mostly handled without being disagreeable.

enkid 4y ago

Agreeable/disagreeableness is a term of art in psychology based on the "Big Five" personality traits.

brushfoot 4y ago

Agreeableness/disagreeableness have specific meanings in personality psychology. Agreeableness in the five-factor model (Big Five) doesn't necessarily mean being overly compliant; it can also mean being trustful or altruistic (trust and altruism being two facets of agreeableness). The study uses five-factor terminology with participants completing the Big Five Inventory (BFI) and some also completing the NEO-PI-R, so those are the definitions to keep in mind here.

mjburgess 4y ago
And according to their source on the term, https://personality-project.org/revelle/syllabi/classreadings/john.pdf https://personality-project.org/revelle/syllabi/classreading... , this isnt the definition. On page 113 we find the following most associated with low-aggreableness: > Fault-finding, cold, unfriendly, quarrelsome And with high-aggre, > Sympathetic, Kind, appreciative, affectionate Now I do not read either as having to do with the picture of "selfish, combative, and manipulative". I find the agreeable kind of manipulativeness, ie., the "Jerry-kind" (from Rick & Morty) just as egregious as the "Rick-kind". What might equally be said of this study is that "agreeable methods of manipulation" are as effective as "disagreeable ones" in aggregate.
- b3morales 4y ago
  That is extremely interesting. I had no idea that the Big Five had been formulated based originally on linguistic analysis (specifically of English). It's a brilliant direction to research. But it also accounts for the pretty obvious bias in the terminology.

prettyStandard 4y ago

"How quickly you are to agree or disagree" has been my interpretation of the big five definition. You have to average it over self-assessments and also the assessment of all your friends, family, and coworkers.

Eumenes 4y ago

Agreed 100%