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> No one is seriously going back to Python 2 at this point. No, the community is stupid and wrong. My machine learning professor (actual professor, not a teach

> No one is seriously going back to Python 2 at this point. No, the community is stupid and wrong. My machine learning professor (actual professor, not a teaching assistant) only used Python 2 in 2017. Imagine how many people had their opinions shaped by someone like them. > … it is: never do this. By that standard, we would never get things like angular 2 or Raku. Would it be better if we renamed Python 3 to some other name and pretended it was a completely new language?

IgorPartola 4y ago
IMO Angular 2 was a huge fail in usability. Angular 1 was a joy to use and 2 was a disaster in terms of writing code in it. However, I am firmly in the Python 3 camp. It is a better language (all the newfangled bullshit notwithstanding).
pjc50 4y ago
> Would it be better if we renamed Python 3 to some other name and pretended it was a completely new language? Quite possibly yes? It doesn't run python2 code, it can't be inter-linked with python2 code, so is it really the same language? The hybrid dialect that works in both does exist but you have to have compatibility shims in a few places. By comparison, most C compilers will let you use C89 and C17 code in the same project provided you set the compiler options, and C# provided the "netstandard" target for libraries to smooth the transition between Framework and Core runtimes.
wokwokwok 4y ago
> No, the community is wrong. Sometimes. I mean, Russ basically said that about all the work people were doing on the golang package manager and did his own thing, and it worked out. Good job! Sometimes, a smart person can do something that is better when they're deeply steeped in the domain. > No, the community is stupid. I personally find that most communities have a lot of very clever, very thoughtful people in them, and if you listen, you can learn a lot from them. Just because they don't agree with you, doesn't make them stupid. I think that its basic respect to listen to your community, acknowledge them and think about what they say, even if you go your own way. ...but, if you (as a maintainer) just think they (your community of users) are just a bunch of idiots, do whatever you like. They are idiots if they hang around in a community like that.

IgorPartola 4y ago

IMO Angular 2 was a huge fail in usability. Angular 1 was a joy to use and 2 was a disaster in terms of writing code in it. However, I am firmly in the Python 3 camp. It is a better language (all the newfangled bullshit notwithstanding).

pjc50 4y ago

> Would it be better if we renamed Python 3 to some other name and pretended it was a completely new language? Quite possibly yes? It doesn't run python2 code, it can't be inter-linked with python2 code, so is it really the same language? The hybrid dialect that works in both does exist but you have to have compatibility shims in a few places. By comparison, most C compilers will let you use C89 and C17 code in the same project provided you set the compiler options, and C# provided the "netstandard" target for libraries to smooth the transition between Framework and Core runtimes.

wokwokwok 4y ago

> No, the community is wrong. Sometimes. I mean, Russ basically said that about all the work people were doing on the golang package manager and did his own thing, and it worked out. Good job! Sometimes, a smart person can do something that is better when they're deeply steeped in the domain. > No, the community is stupid. I personally find that most communities have a lot of very clever, very thoughtful people in them, and if you listen, you can learn a lot from them. Just because they don't agree with you, doesn't make them stupid. I think that its basic respect to listen to your community, acknowledge them and think about what they say, even if you go your own way. ...but, if you (as a maintainer) just think they (your community of users) are just a bunch of idiots, do whatever you like. They are idiots if they hang around in a community like that.