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For sure, market studies, focus groups,etc... look at windows 7 for example, fixed a lot of complaints users had about vista but to your point, their customers

by _8j50 4y ago

For sure, market studies, focus groups,etc... look at windows 7 for example, fixed a lot of complaints users had about vista but to your point, their customers that have influence are those that pay the most which are bigcorps with MS and multimedia editors with apple. Do you know why MS is bloated and "slower"? Because of all the technology they support from decades ago and all the interpperability layers in between. A vbscript from 2000 still works to automate stuff on windows 11 even with the advent of powershell for example. They could save money and crapton of security issues by getting rid of the windows script host just as an example but they would make paying enterprise users unhappy and less likely to buy more from MS.

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
> For sure, market studies, focus groups,etc... look at windows 7 for example, fixed a lot of complaints users had about vista That's true. Now look at 8, 10, and 11 and tell me with a straight face that they still care. > Do you know why MS is bloated and "slower"? Because of all the technology they support from decades ago and all the interpperability layers in between. Then surely the comparison is RHEL, where companies pay for compatibility and stability, not "we <3 bleeding edge" Fedora or "volunteers maintaining a coherent system" Debian.
- somerandomqaguy 4y ago
  > That's true. Now look at 8, 10, and 11 and tell me with a straight face that they still care. Do you see the Metro start screen anywhere on Windows 10 or 11? If they weren't swayed by user input, why did they throw away all that time, effort, and energy put into the the Metro UI and go back to the start menu paradigm?
  - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
    Okay, I'll give you 10, but they still shipped Metro in the first place, and then did that to the start menu in 11.
- _8j50 4y ago
  Yes they do care, about profit that is. Doing random stuff users want isn't usually profitable though which is why I like the configurability of Linux. But if users who pay up demand something they will listen unless it contradicts with a more profitable business strategy. > Then surely the comparison is RHEL, where companies pay for compatibility and stability, not "we <3 bleeding edge" Fedora or "volunteers maintaining a coherent system" Debian. Unfortunately, RHEL and SLED are both targeting enterprise users, very little of that is desktop as well. You know who else succeeded in the Linux desktop that isn't really considered proper Linux? ChromeOS on the ChromeBook. If only these new laptop makers like purism or system76 took a similar radical approach where they would indeed listen to paying users more directly better than existing bigcorps, that would give Linux on the desktop a chance at market share gains that are significant. Then I would be comfortable gifting a Linux laptop to a non-technical user who can call a support line when having issues or needing a feature.

by _8j50 4y ago

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago

> For sure, market studies, focus groups,etc... look at windows 7 for example, fixed a lot of complaints users had about vista That's true. Now look at 8, 10, and 11 and tell me with a straight face that they still care. > Do you know why MS is bloated and "slower"? Because of all the technology they support from decades ago and all the interpperability layers in between. Then surely the comparison is RHEL, where companies pay for compatibility and stability, not "we <3 bleeding edge" Fedora or "volunteers maintaining a coherent system" Debian.

somerandomqaguy 4y ago
> That's true. Now look at 8, 10, and 11 and tell me with a straight face that they still care. Do you see the Metro start screen anywhere on Windows 10 or 11? If they weren't swayed by user input, why did they throw away all that time, effort, and energy put into the the Metro UI and go back to the start menu paradigm?
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  Okay, I'll give you 10, but they still shipped Metro in the first place, and then did that to the start menu in 11.
_8j50 4y ago
Yes they do care, about profit that is. Doing random stuff users want isn't usually profitable though which is why I like the configurability of Linux. But if users who pay up demand something they will listen unless it contradicts with a more profitable business strategy. > Then surely the comparison is RHEL, where companies pay for compatibility and stability, not "we <3 bleeding edge" Fedora or "volunteers maintaining a coherent system" Debian. Unfortunately, RHEL and SLED are both targeting enterprise users, very little of that is desktop as well. You know who else succeeded in the Linux desktop that isn't really considered proper Linux? ChromeOS on the ChromeBook. If only these new laptop makers like purism or system76 took a similar radical approach where they would indeed listen to paying users more directly better than existing bigcorps, that would give Linux on the desktop a chance at market share gains that are significant. Then I would be comfortable gifting a Linux laptop to a non-technical user who can call a support line when having issues or needing a feature.