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On the other hand, solving actual crimes today has to be weighed against hypothetical future misuse by a hypothetical "future unfriendly regime". People have di

On the other hand, solving actual crimes today has to be weighed against hypothetical future misuse by a hypothetical "future unfriendly regime". People have different beliefs about the probability of such a future, but to me it seems like this is a big win for society.

homeland221 4y ago
Considering Clinton, Nancy and current FBIs and CIAs very questionable operations, unfriendly regime is already here.
- Whatarethese 4y ago
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hoseja 4y ago
Actual crimes today are less than statistical error when compared to traffic accidents, obesity and the like. They are only overblown so you feel grateful to the state for solving them and dread what would happen without Big Brother.
- mgraczyk 4y ago
  I like saving lives with technology, even if we don't save all possible lives.
supertrope 4y ago
An authoritarian or totalitarian government can have millions of casualties and total loss of freedom.
- mgraczyk 4y ago
  And if the probability of that happening AND the genome database being necessary for that government to carry out it's murders is smaller than 1e-7, then the database is good. I think it's much smaller than that, essentially zero.
upsidesinclude 4y ago
This is wildly unimaginative. Read the linked study in the comments on Blade Runner, Phillip K Dick.
- mgraczyk 4y ago
  It's implausible to me that the existence of a gene database would matter. Historically it hasn't been necessary to carry out mass killings. I don't think science fiction is a good source for designing policy.
  - upsidesinclude 4y ago
    Please, read the paper. Again, your view is unimaginative. On the contrary, science fiction is an excellent resource for policy, as it imagines futures where certain policies are carried out to their final conclusions.
    - mgraczyk 4y ago
      Which paper? The one pointing out that links are easy to determine with only a small genetics database? Why would I care about that, I want law enforcement to have (audited) access to 100% of the populations genetic records, so I'm not concerned about how small a sample is needed.
      - upsidesinclude 4y ago
        From user nelox: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9731365/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9731365/
        mgraczyk 4y ago
        From the paper: > While most people would agree that putting a serial killer behind bars is an acceptable tradeoff, questions are nevertheless growing about who should control the genetic data compiled by genetic testing companies and how that data should be used: Are we willing to give up our genetic information in exchange for more efficient law enforcement, health information, and consumer targeting practices? Yes, I am. It's worth it.
revlolz 4y ago
History repeats itself. We have never had a technology like this, but we know humans have had multiple genocidal dictatorships whose tyranny slew millions. I damn well will scrutinize each technological achievement's ability to facilitate tyranny. You can frame it hyperbolic, but look at Twitter or Facebook. These platforms have become instrumental to governments for survelience and intelligence. Identifying the murderer is wonderful (absolutely not disagreeing) , but in my opinion society ought to be worried about personal freedoms and rights.

homeland221 4y ago

Considering Clinton, Nancy and current FBIs and CIAs very questionable operations, unfriendly regime is already here.

Whatarethese 4y ago
k

hoseja 4y ago

Actual crimes today are less than statistical error when compared to traffic accidents, obesity and the like. They are only overblown so you feel grateful to the state for solving them and dread what would happen without Big Brother.

mgraczyk 4y ago
I like saving lives with technology, even if we don't save all possible lives.

supertrope 4y ago

An authoritarian or totalitarian government can have millions of casualties and total loss of freedom.

mgraczyk 4y ago
And if the probability of that happening AND the genome database being necessary for that government to carry out it's murders is smaller than 1e-7, then the database is good. I think it's much smaller than that, essentially zero.

upsidesinclude 4y ago

This is wildly unimaginative. Read the linked study in the comments on Blade Runner, Phillip K Dick.

mgraczyk 4y ago
It's implausible to me that the existence of a gene database would matter. Historically it hasn't been necessary to carry out mass killings. I don't think science fiction is a good source for designing policy.
- upsidesinclude 4y ago
  Please, read the paper. Again, your view is unimaginative. On the contrary, science fiction is an excellent resource for policy, as it imagines futures where certain policies are carried out to their final conclusions.
  - mgraczyk 4y ago
    Which paper? The one pointing out that links are easy to determine with only a small genetics database? Why would I care about that, I want law enforcement to have (audited) access to 100% of the populations genetic records, so I'm not concerned about how small a sample is needed.
    - upsidesinclude 4y ago
      From user nelox: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9731365/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9731365/
      - mgraczyk 4y ago
        From the paper: > While most people would agree that putting a serial killer behind bars is an acceptable tradeoff, questions are nevertheless growing about who should control the genetic data compiled by genetic testing companies and how that data should be used: Are we willing to give up our genetic information in exchange for more efficient law enforcement, health information, and consumer targeting practices? Yes, I am. It's worth it.

revlolz 4y ago

History repeats itself. We have never had a technology like this, but we know humans have had multiple genocidal dictatorships whose tyranny slew millions. I damn well will scrutinize each technological achievement's ability to facilitate tyranny. You can frame it hyperbolic, but look at Twitter or Facebook. These platforms have become instrumental to governments for survelience and intelligence. Identifying the murderer is wonderful (absolutely not disagreeing) , but in my opinion society ought to be worried about personal freedoms and rights.