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> but I think that social and legal methods are never the solution Just to be clear we're talking about indexing + searching what people post on public interne

by dmix 4y ago

> but I think that social and legal methods are never the solution Just to be clear we're talking about indexing + searching what people post on public internet feeds? IMO there are only social solutions to this problem. Any legal one would probably kill any federated service that can barely compete with centralized ones as it is... or (more likely) not be enforceable in the first place. There's two social solutions: 1) don't post things you don't want recorded forever on public networks OR 2) stop treating every mistake humans makes in their personal history as deal breaker for life The first is a matter of personal responsibility, which is not a very popular concept in certain communities popular online. The other is more rational and practical but is still a very serious problem in western culture. Countless people have been 'cancelled' (or attempts have been made) based on 10yr old internet posts the posters themselves denounce. If you want technical solutions use Signal, not a federated Twitter competitor.

drdaeman 4y ago
> Just to be clear we're talking about indexing + searching what people post on public internet feeds? Yes. I've only brought legal here, as there is some movement towards using legal frameworks for privacy ("right to be forgotten" etc.), as I totally misunderstood what kind of social solutions you propose. > There's two social solutions: [...] D'oh! Now I see. And I'm honestly sorry, as I completely misunderstood what you meant saying it's a "social problem". I wholeheartedly agree now - either of those would be an ultimate solution. Not just a solution - I also do believe that this is how things should be. It can be argued how realistic it is - I mean, it's quite a giant change to how society sees things. But I hope - at the grand timescale - it's well achievable. Many societies had drastically changed during the 20th century, so who knows where we'll end up...
- dmix 4y ago
  Yeah, agreed, the "right to be forgotten" legal could be very expensive to enforce on a federated internet. It's only feasible when Google is all you have to deal with. Even then it's a big hassle.

by dmix 4y ago

drdaeman 4y ago

> Just to be clear we're talking about indexing + searching what people post on public internet feeds? Yes. I've only brought legal here, as there is some movement towards using legal frameworks for privacy ("right to be forgotten" etc.), as I totally misunderstood what kind of social solutions you propose. > There's two social solutions: [...] D'oh! Now I see. And I'm honestly sorry, as I completely misunderstood what you meant saying it's a "social problem". I wholeheartedly agree now - either of those would be an ultimate solution. Not just a solution - I also do believe that this is how things should be. It can be argued how realistic it is - I mean, it's quite a giant change to how society sees things. But I hope - at the grand timescale - it's well achievable. Many societies had drastically changed during the 20th century, so who knows where we'll end up...

dmix 4y ago
Yeah, agreed, the "right to be forgotten" legal could be very expensive to enforce on a federated internet. It's only feasible when Google is all you have to deal with. Even then it's a big hassle.