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And that allowed us to move from a society in which only those who had money could make music and join groups, to a society that can express themselves artistic

And that allowed us to move from a society in which only those who had money could make music and join groups, to a society that can express themselves artistically and musically in a much more democratic way, because many more people can have the means to produce music in their home. People can discover new music and share it in real time with their micro-communities online. Creating possibilities for artists who don't live in big cities to become world wide known. I'm glad he was right.

zwkrt 4y ago
s/produce/replay Yes reproduction allowed the top .01% of musicians to gain world renown, but as GP stated it really made the activity of socially enjoying and creating music less accessible.
- boredemployee 4y ago
  >> it really made the activity of socially enjoying and creating music less accessible. Not sure if I agree, I still see people doing music together or gathering to listen to music, but maybe I'm biased by my environment.
WalterBright 4y ago
If you want a social activity that revolves around music, join a dance club. You'll enjoy the music a lot more by adding the physical movement to it.
- maximus-decimus 4y ago
  Are there pop punk dance clubs?
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    I don't know. I go to partner dances. It's not something you can do at home.
- asdf_snar 4y ago
  I think the statement that "You'll enjoy the music a lot more by adding the physical movement to it" is unlikely to apply to everyone, and may not even apply to a majority of people. Not because humans don't have a natural inclination to "move to the beat" (they might), but because a dance club may be much more intimidating for many people than, say, a music circle.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    > is unlikely to apply to everyone Me: "Humans are bipedal" You: "Some humans have only one leg"
    - fipar 4y ago
      I have both legs, I love music (our home has several musical instruments), and I'd never join a dance club. Glad it works for you but I just wanted to offer another perspective. Also, nitpicking, but you can dance even with just one leg, as the first (or one of the very first) verses in "Moving to Florida" by the Butthole Surfers shows ;)
      - WalterBright 4y ago
        > I'd never join a dance club What you're missing: https://www.pinterest.de/pin/547117054706266836/ https://www.pinterest.de/pin/547117054706266836/
        analog31 4y ago
        To be fair, you're also likely to be missing that if you do join a dance club. Source: I play for dance clubs as a musician (they usually use recorded music, but will hire a band for an event such as their annual ball).
        WalterBright 4y ago
        Depends on which ones you go to. If you go to one where the crowd are people who have taken lessons, yes, you do see the stuff in the picture. If you take lessons, yes you can dance like that. There's always a shortage of men at these functions, so if you make the effort to learn it, you can dance with excellent partners, and your rear will never touch a chair. The costumes in the pictures you'll only see at a competition event, but people still dress up for the club dances. The community of these people is not large, and they know each other, and will network to find a venue to meet up at. It's really too bad more people don't do it. The barrier of learning it is rather high, as there's a long awkward stage, and few are willing to put in the effort. But the payoff is lifelong, and as I wrote, it really dials up the pleasure from music.
asdff 4y ago
If you think back then that only those who had money made music and formed groups, you must have no concept of folk music. Slaves were forming bands and writing songs we still sing today (e.g. "Follow the Drinking Gourd" or "Where did you sleep last night" that Nirvana went on to cover); money wasn't a limiting factor like it is today with the need to market yourself and the prices of musical equipment.

zwkrt 4y ago

s/produce/replay Yes reproduction allowed the top .01% of musicians to gain world renown, but as GP stated it really made the activity of socially enjoying and creating music less accessible.

boredemployee 4y ago
>> it really made the activity of socially enjoying and creating music less accessible. Not sure if I agree, I still see people doing music together or gathering to listen to music, but maybe I'm biased by my environment.

WalterBright 4y ago

If you want a social activity that revolves around music, join a dance club. You'll enjoy the music a lot more by adding the physical movement to it.

maximus-decimus 4y ago
Are there pop punk dance clubs?
- WalterBright 4y ago
  I don't know. I go to partner dances. It's not something you can do at home.
asdf_snar 4y ago
I think the statement that "You'll enjoy the music a lot more by adding the physical movement to it" is unlikely to apply to everyone, and may not even apply to a majority of people. Not because humans don't have a natural inclination to "move to the beat" (they might), but because a dance club may be much more intimidating for many people than, say, a music circle.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  > is unlikely to apply to everyone Me: "Humans are bipedal" You: "Some humans have only one leg"
  - fipar 4y ago
    I have both legs, I love music (our home has several musical instruments), and I'd never join a dance club. Glad it works for you but I just wanted to offer another perspective. Also, nitpicking, but you can dance even with just one leg, as the first (or one of the very first) verses in "Moving to Florida" by the Butthole Surfers shows ;)
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      > I'd never join a dance club What you're missing: https://www.pinterest.de/pin/547117054706266836/ https://www.pinterest.de/pin/547117054706266836/
      - analog31 4y ago
        To be fair, you're also likely to be missing that if you do join a dance club. Source: I play for dance clubs as a musician (they usually use recorded music, but will hire a band for an event such as their annual ball).
        WalterBright 4y ago
        Depends on which ones you go to. If you go to one where the crowd are people who have taken lessons, yes, you do see the stuff in the picture. If you take lessons, yes you can dance like that. There's always a shortage of men at these functions, so if you make the effort to learn it, you can dance with excellent partners, and your rear will never touch a chair. The costumes in the pictures you'll only see at a competition event, but people still dress up for the club dances. The community of these people is not large, and they know each other, and will network to find a venue to meet up at. It's really too bad more people don't do it. The barrier of learning it is rather high, as there's a long awkward stage, and few are willing to put in the effort. But the payoff is lifelong, and as I wrote, it really dials up the pleasure from music.

asdff 4y ago

If you think back then that only those who had money made music and formed groups, you must have no concept of folk music. Slaves were forming bands and writing songs we still sing today (e.g. "Follow the Drinking Gourd" or "Where did you sleep last night" that Nirvana went on to cover); money wasn't a limiting factor like it is today with the need to market yourself and the prices of musical equipment.