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> So if you appear to be more dodgy than the account opened by whomever defrauded you, you're just out of luck? And that's a sensible outcome? Why twist things

> So if you appear to be more dodgy than the account opened by whomever defrauded you, you're just out of luck? And that's a sensible outcome? Why twist things to fit race or other prejudices. I had no prejudices in comment. What I meant is: You file a police report and bring it to the bank, Bank asks other account holder to freeze assets for this transaction while investigation proceeds. If multiple people do the same with the same target account then it becomes easier to prove malfeasance. Objective facts/investigation. Nowhere does race or anything come in... (hard for me to comprehend this issue that usa has btw) > Envision this scenario - you are walking down the street, get jumped, your attackers force to you transfer a decent sum to them, authenticating the transaction using your bank... I have been jumped, I have gone to the police, they were very helpful, rode around with them and they got list of cameras in area, they showed a list of usual suspects, next day the guy was under arrest and I got my phone back. They did manage to guess pin and attempt to make transactions, i did get refunds from bank since i called on way to police.(not that they could get more then 150e without 2fa hardware token) You are being very negative for no reason and make wild assumptions. You will get support. Unless the contrary actually happened to you then please excuse my skepticism And before you say 'privilege', I'm not special in any way where I live.

mindslight 4y ago
Mentioning "privilege" is not a personal attack (I do hate that trend). I'm pointing out that just because you yourself went to the police and they believed and helped you, this is not universal. You keep insisting things like "You will get support", which definitely do not apply universally. I characterized it as gaslighting, as you're basically telling people who don't trust the system that their concerns are invalid. I'm glad things worked out for you. I'm glad your country seems to have societal integrity where you can count on the system working. Just please stop extrapolating as if its a universal experience.
- adriancr 4y ago
  I'm not sure you know the meaning of the word gaslighting. Me telling someone that I think they are wrong is not gaslighting. Otherwise, by your logic, I can accuse you right now of gaslighting. Feel free to check out wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting > which definitely do not apply universally. I characterized it as gaslighting, as you're basically telling people who don't trust the system that their concerns are invalid. I mean... this is quite a stretch... objectively if you get mugged you do go to the police, there's nothing else that can help you. Saying you should have some faith is not gaslighting as you're so keen on saying. Same as you saying that people should have no faith in police is also not gaslighting. Thread has gone one pretty long and honestly there's no point to stretch it further, best of luck.
  - mindslight 4y ago
    You are not saying "if you are mugged you should go to the police, they will probably help (even if you do not think they will)". Rather you are saying the equivalent of "you should not be concerned about getting mugged, because if you are the police will help". Apparently you have never had to suffer bureaucratic incompetence or even bureaucratic maliciousness. As I've said, I'm glad for you but your experience is certainly not universal.

mindslight 4y ago

Mentioning "privilege" is not a personal attack (I do hate that trend). I'm pointing out that just because you yourself went to the police and they believed and helped you, this is not universal. You keep insisting things like "You will get support", which definitely do not apply universally. I characterized it as gaslighting, as you're basically telling people who don't trust the system that their concerns are invalid. I'm glad things worked out for you. I'm glad your country seems to have societal integrity where you can count on the system working. Just please stop extrapolating as if its a universal experience.

adriancr 4y ago
I'm not sure you know the meaning of the word gaslighting. Me telling someone that I think they are wrong is not gaslighting. Otherwise, by your logic, I can accuse you right now of gaslighting. Feel free to check out wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting > which definitely do not apply universally. I characterized it as gaslighting, as you're basically telling people who don't trust the system that their concerns are invalid. I mean... this is quite a stretch... objectively if you get mugged you do go to the police, there's nothing else that can help you. Saying you should have some faith is not gaslighting as you're so keen on saying. Same as you saying that people should have no faith in police is also not gaslighting. Thread has gone one pretty long and honestly there's no point to stretch it further, best of luck.
- mindslight 4y ago
  You are not saying "if you are mugged you should go to the police, they will probably help (even if you do not think they will)". Rather you are saying the equivalent of "you should not be concerned about getting mugged, because if you are the police will help". Apparently you have never had to suffer bureaucratic incompetence or even bureaucratic maliciousness. As I've said, I'm glad for you but your experience is certainly not universal.