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Anecdotally, I was part of an organization that was all in on Beanstalk (hundreds of apps) that did a full migration to Kubernetes and we ended up reducing our

Anecdotally, I was part of an organization that was all in on Beanstalk (hundreds of apps) that did a full migration to Kubernetes and we ended up reducing our spend, deploy times and pipeline complexity by half. We're talking a total yearly cloud spend probably near 9 digits. Moving to Kubernetes vastly simplified our lives and developers were able to learn it pretty easily. Development team was in the low hundreds. So for every story I hear about "it was better back then", I just remember how much it was a horror for us and find it really hard to believe people voicing these options are actually arguing in good faith.

dham 4y ago
If that's your experience with it, then it sounds like a success and I'll concede that. My experience is: devops is introduced to 2 orgs I was at (much smaller dev teams) to save money. Even though hiring devops negates any savings, but that's another story. They introduce Kubernetes (even though existing solutions were fine) as the flavor of the month to build up their resumes. They all leave after 6 months to a year and dev teams are stuck with the cleanup trying support and be in call for things we had no say in. It's harder to see logs, get a rails console, deploy, debug, etc. Meanwhile they also spent 6 months trying to get PR apps and staging environments at one company. Something that is one click on Heroku. If we didn't have Heroku at these companies when we started out we would have literally failed. End of story.