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Yeah but my Windows 11 powerful laptop takes longer to boot than my old Windows 10 pc... there is no way you can just accept the bloatware and telemetry on top

Yeah but my Windows 11 powerful laptop takes longer to boot than my old Windows 10 pc... there is no way you can just accept the bloatware and telemetry on top of the price of the OS.

kyriakos 4y ago
Upgrading from Windows 10 to 11 (on an unsupported cpu on top of that) stopped me from upgrading my workstation because performance improved so much due to better memory management. I don't know if it takes longer to boot since I rarely restart.
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- moron4hire 4y ago
  I don't understand. Performance improved, so you didn't upgrade your workstation? What?
  - smileybarry 4y ago
    They meant they gave up on their hardware upgrade plans, not software. Stuff ran faster so suddenly the CPU upgrade wasn’t needed, etc.
xist 4y ago
How are you attributing the longer boot time to 'bloatware' and 'telemetry'? I'm assuming you've measured this can you provide stats I'd be curious which components of Windows 11 is causing this. I'm assuming you've downgraded to Windows 10 on this machine with the exact software versions loaded to determine this? Causation and correlation are 2 separate things so I would caution you from making sweeping statements.
- chaosbolt 4y ago
  >Causation and correlation are 2 separate things so I would caution you from making sweeping statements. This is like 50% of answers on HN now, reread my comment, I didn't say Win 11 was slower because of my experience, I said that for me in my 2 laptops the newer one with windows 11 was slower, didn't make any conclusions out of it. About the bloat and telemetry read the comment I was replying to, they said they just accept it as a force of nature, I said why accept it when you pay for it already, that's like having ads on a smart tv. Now your problem is that you're so quick to try and prove other people's logic as wrong that you add imaginary statements to it so you can disprove them.
smileybarry 4y ago
My boot times and other load times improved with Windows 11, and the (not gaming) Ryzen laptop we just bought cold-boots in 3 seconds[1] and shuts down in 4 seconds[2]. As with any computer, it’s more than likely your OEM’s driver quality & amount that dictates these. Especially on laptops where OEMs just stop supporting random driver interfaces and you end up using the same “customized” audio driver for 4 years. 1: Fast Startup — aka hibernated kernel — disabled. It’s supposed to be slower with it off but it made no difference. (And I always prefer it off on modern hardware) 2: After you close whatever extra programs you opened, i.e.: the time it takes Windows itself to shutdown.
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- jjeaff 4y ago
  Are you running bit locker to encrypt the hard drive on this system? I have a pretty powerful desktop with two nvme drives in raid 0 striping and it was very fast at first, booting with windows 11. But has become significantly slower due to changes over time. But I'm not sure which changes. I think a lot of it is actually the bios doing stuff. I can't enable fast boot because it usually requires the bit locker recovery key on every boot. Perhaps the tpm doesn't get loaded up in time? It's still pretty fast, but 20 seconds seems like a lot when you are used to 5. I usually just let the computer hibernate, but interestingly, that usually takes a lot more time than a cold boot. Probably because I usually have a ton of stuff open and using memory.

Yeah but my Windows 11 powerful laptop takes longer to boot than my old Windows 10 pc... there is no way you can just accept the bloatware and telemetry on top of the price of the OS.

kyriakos 4y ago

Upgrading from Windows 10 to 11 (on an unsupported cpu on top of that) stopped me from upgrading my workstation because performance improved so much due to better memory management. I don't know if it takes longer to boot since I rarely restart.

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moron4hire 4y ago
I don't understand. Performance improved, so you didn't upgrade your workstation? What?
- smileybarry 4y ago
  They meant they gave up on their hardware upgrade plans, not software. Stuff ran faster so suddenly the CPU upgrade wasn’t needed, etc.

xist 4y ago

How are you attributing the longer boot time to 'bloatware' and 'telemetry'? I'm assuming you've measured this can you provide stats I'd be curious which components of Windows 11 is causing this. I'm assuming you've downgraded to Windows 10 on this machine with the exact software versions loaded to determine this? Causation and correlation are 2 separate things so I would caution you from making sweeping statements.

chaosbolt 4y ago
>Causation and correlation are 2 separate things so I would caution you from making sweeping statements. This is like 50% of answers on HN now, reread my comment, I didn't say Win 11 was slower because of my experience, I said that for me in my 2 laptops the newer one with windows 11 was slower, didn't make any conclusions out of it. About the bloat and telemetry read the comment I was replying to, they said they just accept it as a force of nature, I said why accept it when you pay for it already, that's like having ads on a smart tv. Now your problem is that you're so quick to try and prove other people's logic as wrong that you add imaginary statements to it so you can disprove them.

smileybarry 4y ago

My boot times and other load times improved with Windows 11, and the (not gaming) Ryzen laptop we just bought cold-boots in 3 seconds[1] and shuts down in 4 seconds[2]. As with any computer, it’s more than likely your OEM’s driver quality & amount that dictates these. Especially on laptops where OEMs just stop supporting random driver interfaces and you end up using the same “customized” audio driver for 4 years. 1: Fast Startup — aka hibernated kernel — disabled. It’s supposed to be slower with it off but it made no difference. (And I always prefer it off on modern hardware) 2: After you close whatever extra programs you opened, i.e.: the time it takes Windows itself to shutdown.

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jjeaff 4y ago
Are you running bit locker to encrypt the hard drive on this system? I have a pretty powerful desktop with two nvme drives in raid 0 striping and it was very fast at first, booting with windows 11. But has become significantly slower due to changes over time. But I'm not sure which changes. I think a lot of it is actually the bios doing stuff. I can't enable fast boot because it usually requires the bit locker recovery key on every boot. Perhaps the tpm doesn't get loaded up in time? It's still pretty fast, but 20 seconds seems like a lot when you are used to 5. I usually just let the computer hibernate, but interestingly, that usually takes a lot more time than a cold boot. Probably because I usually have a ton of stuff open and using memory.