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I'm in Germany, so far stricter rules apply. And often senders aren't even complying with the CANSPAM rules. Far too often have I received an email with sad gif

I'm in Germany, so far stricter rules apply. And often senders aren't even complying with the CANSPAM rules. Far too often have I received an email with sad gifs attached telling me they don't want to stop emailing me. Recruiters, Sales, shitty spam farms, it's all the same. My hometown already banned any kind of outdoor ads with lights and heavily regulated ad size, personally I'd appreciate if we banned advertising altogether as society.

satvikpendem 4y ago
That's unfortunate in Germany, I've had people cold email me with good information, I've even gotten a few jobs from that. Similarly, I've had good clients come from cold email as well. I'm not sure how advertising as a whole could be banned, there are many types, and it could be argued that even word of mouth (or merely even showing a brand image like logos) is a sort of advertising. Also, it would be very difficult for new entrants in an industry to start up, ironically cementing existing players in the market; Coca-Cola doesn't need more advertising since everyone knows about Coke, while a new soda brand would find it extremely hard to grow without any advertising whatsoever.
- kuschku 4y ago
  How would it cement existing players? Many people already make purchasing decisions by looking at comprehensive tests from non-profit foundations (https://www.test.de/ https://www.test.de/) or one of the public broadcasters' (https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/markt/index.html https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/markt/index.html, https://www1.wdr.de/fernsehen/markt/index.html https://www1.wdr.de/fernsehen/markt/index.html), and then do price comparisons with one of the many popular price comparison websites (https://www.idealo.de/ https://www.idealo.de/, https://geizhals.de/ https://geizhals.de/, https://www.hardwareschotte.de/ https://www.hardwareschotte.de/, https://www.preispiraten.de/ https://www.preispiraten.de/). If your product is good, it'll do well in the tests and the price comparison, and be bought. You only need advertising if your product is actually bad and you instead want to convince people to pay for it because you want it associated with a certain image of your customers. But in that case, you're not selling a product, you're selling a status symbol, basically jewellery (e.g., Apple, the sneaker market, etc) And the market of status symbols is harmful to society anyway, so if it gets destroyed as collateral damage of a potential ad ban, that'd be awesome.
  - satvikpendem 4y ago
    When you say "many people," it sounds more like this your workflow for purchasing decisions, not many people's. The way you outlined is so rare that I doubt many people actually do what you describe, unless you want to redefine the word "many." There is a reason advertising exists and works, and you are not realizing that you are a rare, rare exception to that. It is akin to someone using only Gentoo and saying how many people also use it. Yes, some people might use it too, but it is so far outside the range of normality in the population that it does not matter, even if the Gentoo user thinks their bubble is many other people's too.
    - kuschku 4y ago
      With "many", I'm actually talking about a majority here in Germany. Stiftung Warentest, Markt, Frontal 21 and similar media are extremely popular. Stiftung Warentest alone has a revenue of over 63 million a year. [1] The consumer magazine NDR Markt had the highest TV ratings of any show in recent years (excluding evening news and special covid news updates), with a market reach of 13.4% in the broadcast area. [2] That's not even counting WDR Markt which has even better ratings. > so far outside the range of normality in the population that it does not matter That's where you're provably wrong. That said, there are bad actors in this market too – especially around the Check24 group (annual revenue exceeding 500 million in 2021) and other actors, which are ranking products less by quality or trustworthy test reports, but instead based on who pays more for ads (see also: Google Shopping). The EU New Deal For Consumers is actually going to influence this quite a bit. The EU plans to regulate comparison sites more strictly, as comparison sites will have a more important role in a future with more restricted, and overall less prevalent advertising. (See also [3], [4]) ________________ [1] https://www.test.de/unternehmen/stiftung-5017075-5843365/ https://www.test.de/unternehmen/stiftung-5017075-5843365/ [2] https://www.ndr.de/der_ndr/zahlen_und_daten/NDR-Fernsehen-Die-erfolgreichsten-Sendungen-2021,ndrdaten147.html https://www.ndr.de/der_ndr/zahlen_und_daten/NDR-Fernsehen-Di... [3] https://www.bundeskartellamt.de/SharedDocs/Meldung/DE/Pressemitteilungen/2019/11_04_2019_Vergleichsportale_Bericht.html?nn=3591286 https://www.bundeskartellamt.de/SharedDocs/Meldung/DE/Presse... [4] https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/vergleichsportale-kontrollen-1.4318845 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/vergleichsportale-kon...

satvikpendem 4y ago

That's unfortunate in Germany, I've had people cold email me with good information, I've even gotten a few jobs from that. Similarly, I've had good clients come from cold email as well. I'm not sure how advertising as a whole could be banned, there are many types, and it could be argued that even word of mouth (or merely even showing a brand image like logos) is a sort of advertising. Also, it would be very difficult for new entrants in an industry to start up, ironically cementing existing players in the market; Coca-Cola doesn't need more advertising since everyone knows about Coke, while a new soda brand would find it extremely hard to grow without any advertising whatsoever.

kuschku 4y ago
How would it cement existing players? Many people already make purchasing decisions by looking at comprehensive tests from non-profit foundations (https://www.test.de/ https://www.test.de/) or one of the public broadcasters' (https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/markt/index.html https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/markt/index.html, https://www1.wdr.de/fernsehen/markt/index.html https://www1.wdr.de/fernsehen/markt/index.html), and then do price comparisons with one of the many popular price comparison websites (https://www.idealo.de/ https://www.idealo.de/, https://geizhals.de/ https://geizhals.de/, https://www.hardwareschotte.de/ https://www.hardwareschotte.de/, https://www.preispiraten.de/ https://www.preispiraten.de/). If your product is good, it'll do well in the tests and the price comparison, and be bought. You only need advertising if your product is actually bad and you instead want to convince people to pay for it because you want it associated with a certain image of your customers. But in that case, you're not selling a product, you're selling a status symbol, basically jewellery (e.g., Apple, the sneaker market, etc) And the market of status symbols is harmful to society anyway, so if it gets destroyed as collateral damage of a potential ad ban, that'd be awesome.
- satvikpendem 4y ago
  When you say "many people," it sounds more like this your workflow for purchasing decisions, not many people's. The way you outlined is so rare that I doubt many people actually do what you describe, unless you want to redefine the word "many." There is a reason advertising exists and works, and you are not realizing that you are a rare, rare exception to that. It is akin to someone using only Gentoo and saying how many people also use it. Yes, some people might use it too, but it is so far outside the range of normality in the population that it does not matter, even if the Gentoo user thinks their bubble is many other people's too.
  - kuschku 4y ago
    With "many", I'm actually talking about a majority here in Germany. Stiftung Warentest, Markt, Frontal 21 and similar media are extremely popular. Stiftung Warentest alone has a revenue of over 63 million a year. [1] The consumer magazine NDR Markt had the highest TV ratings of any show in recent years (excluding evening news and special covid news updates), with a market reach of 13.4% in the broadcast area. [2] That's not even counting WDR Markt which has even better ratings. > so far outside the range of normality in the population that it does not matter That's where you're provably wrong. That said, there are bad actors in this market too – especially around the Check24 group (annual revenue exceeding 500 million in 2021) and other actors, which are ranking products less by quality or trustworthy test reports, but instead based on who pays more for ads (see also: Google Shopping). The EU New Deal For Consumers is actually going to influence this quite a bit. The EU plans to regulate comparison sites more strictly, as comparison sites will have a more important role in a future with more restricted, and overall less prevalent advertising. (See also [3], [4]) ________________ [1] https://www.test.de/unternehmen/stiftung-5017075-5843365/ https://www.test.de/unternehmen/stiftung-5017075-5843365/ [2] https://www.ndr.de/der_ndr/zahlen_und_daten/NDR-Fernsehen-Die-erfolgreichsten-Sendungen-2021,ndrdaten147.html https://www.ndr.de/der_ndr/zahlen_und_daten/NDR-Fernsehen-Di... [3] https://www.bundeskartellamt.de/SharedDocs/Meldung/DE/Pressemitteilungen/2019/11_04_2019_Vergleichsportale_Bericht.html?nn=3591286 https://www.bundeskartellamt.de/SharedDocs/Meldung/DE/Presse... [4] https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/vergleichsportale-kontrollen-1.4318845 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/vergleichsportale-kon...