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History and future of dishwashing

8 points by marcocleos 4y ago

morelisp 4y ago
> imagine if instead of washing dishes for 20 billions hours at day we make paintings, songs or theorems. Wouldn’t that be nice? Well... no? This feels like a restatement of the common "no more toil!" attitude VC-seeking futurists with no real skills fucking love but can never deliver on, and it's also totally inapplicable here. Washing dishes is two (or more) person activity. It's a prototypical example of a couple working together or a parent working with a child, together in a shared living space and negotiating or demonstrating how that space is put together. It can be quiet or loud or a simple conversation. It's "mindless", and I've worked through a lot of hard things while cleaning my kitchen - probably rivaled only by the shower. It's certainly a space that easily admits singing! But I'm sure your smart dishwasher and chips in dishes will "optimize" out this part of our human lives too. Or at least sell information on my diet back to my health insurance company with you pocketing 90% of the gains! Not to mention the sustainability of everyone buying a ton of robots and new dishes!
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- marcocleos 4y ago
  This post was just an exploration of how dishwashing was in the past and how it might be in the future, it wasn’t meant to sell you anything :) By the way, wouldn’t be nicer if the couple or the parent with the children make a painting or play a song instead of washing the dishes? About the doubts on the sustainability of domestic robots or new dishes I agree but I don’t see a big difference with the sustainability of actual dishwashers, maybe there are cleaner solutions.
  - morelisp 4y ago
    It wasn't an "exploration" of shit, you copied someone else's SE answer and took out a lot of the interesting parts. > By the way, wouldn’t be nicer if the couple or the parent with the children make a painting or play a song instead of washing the dishes? No! Fuck! Make an argument, not a statement! > 2 meals per day... average 10 minutes of dishwashing time... 8 billion people in the world... 20 billions hours every day washing dishes! And stop using GPT for your arithmetic, dumbass.
- aaron695 4y ago
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nanomonkey 4y ago
No mention of super critical CO2, which seems to me to be a possible future of cleaning just about anything, including clothes and dishes. Not to mention that the oils that are removed from items could be repurposed as fuel elsewhere in the household.
- morelisp 4y ago
  > the oils that are removed from items could be repurposed as fuel This is maybe the dumbest, mundanest Poe's Law situation I've ever seen.
  - nanomonkey 4y ago
    Please explain. I feel like your just having a knee jerk reaction to a mention of the words CO2 and oil as fuel. Super critical CO2 dissolved polar molecules such as oil and wax, and deposit them somewhere else when the CO2 goes through the phase change back to gas. This is useful in cleaning in the same way that soap/detergent is used to allow water to break up and remove oils on clothes, tools or dishes. In this case the CO2 can be recycled and used again through heat/pressure bringing it back to a supercritical phase. The oils could be used for other purposes, I just chose fuel as most individuals won't be interested in eating recycled oils from their dirty dishes, and the usage of waste oils for biodiesel, etc. is a better alternative than petrochemicals.
- marcocleos 4y ago
  Thanks for mentioning super critical CO2, I never heard it, I’ll read more about it and maybe update the post in the coming days.

8 points by marcocleos 4y ago

> imagine if instead of washing dishes for 20 billions hours at day we make paintings, songs or theorems. Wouldn’t that be nice? Well... no? This feels like a restatement of the common "no more toil!" attitude VC-seeking futurists with no real skills fucking love but can never deliver on, and it's also totally inapplicable here. Washing dishes is two (or more) person activity. It's a prototypical example of a couple working together or a parent working with a child, together in a shared living space and negotiating or demonstrating how that space is put together. It can be quiet or loud or a simple conversation. It's "mindless", and I've worked through a lot of hard things while cleaning my kitchen - probably rivaled only by the shower. It's certainly a space that easily admits singing! But I'm sure your smart dishwasher and chips in dishes will "optimize" out this part of our human lives too. Or at least sell information on my diet back to my health insurance company with you pocketing 90% of the gains! Not to mention the sustainability of everyone buying a ton of robots and new dishes!

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marcocleos 4y ago
This post was just an exploration of how dishwashing was in the past and how it might be in the future, it wasn’t meant to sell you anything :) By the way, wouldn’t be nicer if the couple or the parent with the children make a painting or play a song instead of washing the dishes? About the doubts on the sustainability of domestic robots or new dishes I agree but I don’t see a big difference with the sustainability of actual dishwashers, maybe there are cleaner solutions.
- morelisp 4y ago
  It wasn't an "exploration" of shit, you copied someone else's SE answer and took out a lot of the interesting parts. > By the way, wouldn’t be nicer if the couple or the parent with the children make a painting or play a song instead of washing the dishes? No! Fuck! Make an argument, not a statement! > 2 meals per day... average 10 minutes of dishwashing time... 8 billion people in the world... 20 billions hours every day washing dishes! And stop using GPT for your arithmetic, dumbass.
aaron695 4y ago
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nanomonkey 4y ago

No mention of super critical CO2, which seems to me to be a possible future of cleaning just about anything, including clothes and dishes. Not to mention that the oils that are removed from items could be repurposed as fuel elsewhere in the household.

morelisp 4y ago
> the oils that are removed from items could be repurposed as fuel This is maybe the dumbest, mundanest Poe's Law situation I've ever seen.
- nanomonkey 4y ago
  Please explain. I feel like your just having a knee jerk reaction to a mention of the words CO2 and oil as fuel. Super critical CO2 dissolved polar molecules such as oil and wax, and deposit them somewhere else when the CO2 goes through the phase change back to gas. This is useful in cleaning in the same way that soap/detergent is used to allow water to break up and remove oils on clothes, tools or dishes. In this case the CO2 can be recycled and used again through heat/pressure bringing it back to a supercritical phase. The oils could be used for other purposes, I just chose fuel as most individuals won't be interested in eating recycled oils from their dirty dishes, and the usage of waste oils for biodiesel, etc. is a better alternative than petrochemicals.
marcocleos 4y ago
Thanks for mentioning super critical CO2, I never heard it, I’ll read more about it and maybe update the post in the coming days.