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>Hiring private security on a large scale is novel in America. No, it is not. Colleges and universities have been doing it for many decades. "Seventy-five per

>Hiring private security on a large scale is novel in America. No, it is not. Colleges and universities have been doing it for many decades. "Seventy-five percent of campus law-enforcement agencies have armed officers, according to a Bureau of Justice Statistics survey. Nine in 10 public campuses had “sworn” officers, meaning those who can carry a gun, have arrest power, and wear a badge; four in 10 private campuses did."[0] TFA is focused primarily on policing related to homeless persons, while I'm pretty sure with most campuses in urban settings, they are focused more broadly on hard-core crime (murder, rape, armed robbery, gang-related activity). [0]https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/04/university-chicago-campus-police-armed/557471/ https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/04/univer...

colechristensen 4y ago
The local state university has a real police department created by state law, it’s not private security but as legitimate as any other police department. When you call 911 within certain areas, they’re who are dispatched. This is pretty common around the country for larger universities.
- analog31 4y ago
  I live next to a Big Ten university, and the campus police are essentially a branch of the city police department, with some special capabilities such as crowd control at the revenue sports games.
giraffe_lady 4y ago
> with most campuses in urban settings, they are focused more broadly on hard-core crime What makes you sure of that other than the base assumption that that's what police should do so that's what they are doing? Consistently across several major urban area metro police forces the police self-reportedly spend about %5 of their time on that sort of serious violent crime. I don't see why campus police would be any higher than that.
- PopAlongKid 4y ago
  >What makes you sure of that other than the base assumption that that's what police should do so that's what they are doing? I know something of Chicago neighborhoods where University of Chicago and University of Illinois-Chicago have private police. College students are essentially transients - those who live on urban campuses are typically not homeowners, not car-owners, and not in married/domestic partner/young children living situations, since they are usually going to be age 25 or younger. What other types of crimes are they going to be subject to that require police intervention, other than the ones I mentioned? Granted, there are also faculty/staff who receive police service, but probably many fewer than there are students, and not all of them live on campus.
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    This is just restating the assumption: that police mostly solve or prevent violent crime, and violent crime is the reason communities have police. I don't think this is overall true. Again, only ~5% of policing time is spent on violent crime. Again, is there that much more violent crime on college campuses? That would be widely known if it were true, I think, but maybe it is and I'm just ignorant. > I know something of Chicago neighborhoods where University of Chicago and University of Illinois-Chicago have private police. IDK what you're trying to say here. I spent my teen years in a group home in woodlawn on the border with hyde park. My associations are certainly out of date but I am also familiar with the dynamics of this specific area in a sense. Do you want to clarify?

colechristensen 4y ago

The local state university has a real police department created by state law, it’s not private security but as legitimate as any other police department. When you call 911 within certain areas, they’re who are dispatched. This is pretty common around the country for larger universities.

analog31 4y ago
I live next to a Big Ten university, and the campus police are essentially a branch of the city police department, with some special capabilities such as crowd control at the revenue sports games.

giraffe_lady 4y ago

> with most campuses in urban settings, they are focused more broadly on hard-core crime What makes you sure of that other than the base assumption that that's what police should do so that's what they are doing? Consistently across several major urban area metro police forces the police self-reportedly spend about %5 of their time on that sort of serious violent crime. I don't see why campus police would be any higher than that.

PopAlongKid 4y ago
>What makes you sure of that other than the base assumption that that's what police should do so that's what they are doing? I know something of Chicago neighborhoods where University of Chicago and University of Illinois-Chicago have private police. College students are essentially transients - those who live on urban campuses are typically not homeowners, not car-owners, and not in married/domestic partner/young children living situations, since they are usually going to be age 25 or younger. What other types of crimes are they going to be subject to that require police intervention, other than the ones I mentioned? Granted, there are also faculty/staff who receive police service, but probably many fewer than there are students, and not all of them live on campus.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  This is just restating the assumption: that police mostly solve or prevent violent crime, and violent crime is the reason communities have police. I don't think this is overall true. Again, only ~5% of policing time is spent on violent crime. Again, is there that much more violent crime on college campuses? That would be widely known if it were true, I think, but maybe it is and I'm just ignorant. > I know something of Chicago neighborhoods where University of Chicago and University of Illinois-Chicago have private police. IDK what you're trying to say here. I spent my teen years in a group home in woodlawn on the border with hyde park. My associations are certainly out of date but I am also familiar with the dynamics of this specific area in a sense. Do you want to clarify?