That "ongoing discussion" is largely a small group of extremely loud people in the defensive tooling space who keep getting clowned on that their expensive prod

That "ongoing discussion" is largely a small group of extremely loud people in the defensive tooling space who keep getting clowned on that their expensive products don't work. While the offensive side keeps innovating and improving, defense seems to have stopped bothering and instead is resorting to twitter trolling, pissing, and moaning.