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I call bullshit. Raw Atlantic Salmon Sushi was a "thing" in the US since 1975. https://www.nytimes.com/1975/04/06/archives/food-natural-wonder-natural-wonderco

I call bullshit. Raw Atlantic Salmon Sushi was a "thing" in the US since 1975. https://www.nytimes.com/1975/04/06/archives/food-natural-wonder-natural-wondercont-from-page-82.html https://www.nytimes.com/1975/04/06/archives/food-natural-won... image in the bottom left is "salmon sashimi" here's an image of Michael J Fox eating a piece of salmon sushi on the cover of esquire magazine, circa 1988 https://twitter.com/scbaird/status/1294804653755052032 https://twitter.com/scbaird/status/1294804653755052032

djur 4y ago
Both of your examples are from the US, and the actual body of the NYT article doesn't mention salmon sushi at all despite mentioning a half dozen or so other fish (as well as salmon roe), which would be unthinkable today. And the latter example is quite late. The headline claim would be stronger if it had "typically" or "often" in it, but the underlying market data seems sound: > Norway went from selling 2 metric tons of salmon to Japan in 1980 to 28,000 metric tons by 1995.
- weatherlight 4y ago
  The picture is literally, "Salmon Sushi" (bottom left quadrant.) the article above makes it sound like the Norwegians pushed Atlantic salmon on to the the Japanese, and that the first salmon sushi was "invented" by the Norwegians, Which is patently false.
  - djur 4y ago
    > Up to the 1990s, raw salmon sushi was not eaten in Japan... What changed? Norway went on a 10-year marketing campaign to sell Atlantic salmon in the East Asian country. And the plan worked. The reason this is relevant? > At the time, the average Japanese person ate 60kg of fish a year (vs. 15kg globally) Americans ate sushi in the '70s and '80s, but far less than the Japanese did. The Norwegians wanted to open up the lucrative Japanese market. That is what this story is about. At no point do they claim that the Norwegians invented salmon sushi.
    - weatherlight 4y ago
      Did you read the same story i did. it says Norway invented it.
PurpleRamen 4y ago
Sushi in USA was very different on those details from the beginning. Cooks had to adapt to local food-supply and people's taste. It's the reason why western sushi-forms like the california-roll were created.
- weatherlight 4y ago
  The picture is literally sashimi. A raw piece of salmon on rice
  - tekla 4y ago
    Sashimi is literally raw meat WITHOUT rice.
  - PurpleRamen 4y ago
    That's still completely irrelevant. The claim is about "food in Japan", not "Japanese food" somewhere else. Your sources are about Japanese food in the USA, which can be different, because of local supply & demand. Ethnical cuisine is often in foreign countries very different served from the original dishes for various reasons. And BTW sashimi is not sushi. Usually, it would not be put on rice either. The cut and preparation of sashimi and sushi-toppings are different.

djur 4y ago

Both of your examples are from the US, and the actual body of the NYT article doesn't mention salmon sushi at all despite mentioning a half dozen or so other fish (as well as salmon roe), which would be unthinkable today. And the latter example is quite late. The headline claim would be stronger if it had "typically" or "often" in it, but the underlying market data seems sound: > Norway went from selling 2 metric tons of salmon to Japan in 1980 to 28,000 metric tons by 1995.

weatherlight 4y ago
The picture is literally, "Salmon Sushi" (bottom left quadrant.) the article above makes it sound like the Norwegians pushed Atlantic salmon on to the the Japanese, and that the first salmon sushi was "invented" by the Norwegians, Which is patently false.
- djur 4y ago
  > Up to the 1990s, raw salmon sushi was not eaten in Japan... What changed? Norway went on a 10-year marketing campaign to sell Atlantic salmon in the East Asian country. And the plan worked. The reason this is relevant? > At the time, the average Japanese person ate 60kg of fish a year (vs. 15kg globally) Americans ate sushi in the '70s and '80s, but far less than the Japanese did. The Norwegians wanted to open up the lucrative Japanese market. That is what this story is about. At no point do they claim that the Norwegians invented salmon sushi.
  - weatherlight 4y ago
    Did you read the same story i did. it says Norway invented it.

PurpleRamen 4y ago

Sushi in USA was very different on those details from the beginning. Cooks had to adapt to local food-supply and people's taste. It's the reason why western sushi-forms like the california-roll were created.

weatherlight 4y ago
The picture is literally sashimi. A raw piece of salmon on rice
- tekla 4y ago
  Sashimi is literally raw meat WITHOUT rice.
- PurpleRamen 4y ago
  That's still completely irrelevant. The claim is about "food in Japan", not "Japanese food" somewhere else. Your sources are about Japanese food in the USA, which can be different, because of local supply & demand. Ethnical cuisine is often in foreign countries very different served from the original dishes for various reasons. And BTW sashimi is not sushi. Usually, it would not be put on rice either. The cut and preparation of sashimi and sushi-toppings are different.